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Botox & frozen faces

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Expressionless · 27/09/2025 19:55

If you have Botox to the parts of your face that mean you’ve rendered yourself unable to move large part of your face or have very little movement in your eyebrows / around your eyes, does it not bother you that you essentially look frozen and expressionless?

At the end of the day, most of us, would like to reduce fine lines and wrinkles - we live in a world that holds women to ridiculous youth standards - basically we all feel we shouldn’t age and that an ageing face is the worst possible outcome. But at what cost does this come?

Watching almost all TV / films now means any woman over about 25, maybe 30 at a push essentially has a frozen face and quite literally can’t show emotions properly. Most men don’t do it, so it’s definitely a sexist standard.

Women saying they ‘do it for themselves’ - well okay, but only because you’ve been conditioned to find ageing abhorrent.

Why can’t we just be left the fuck alone, to age and have faces that move and show our expressions and feelings. Like we have for 1,000’s of years.

OP posts:
gillefc82 · 27/09/2025 23:45

MasterBeth · 27/09/2025 23:38

(I would also say, the blue line across your eyes doesn't disguise your identity at all, and if you don't want your identity here to be public, you should probably name change or delete the photo.)

Thanks but to be honest I’m not worried about that - I’m not embarrassed about having some Botox done and people who know me knowing about it.

cherryexplos · 27/09/2025 23:41

Expressionless · 27/09/2025 21:31

But why can’t we have lines at 48 and that be okay? Why do we need to be freshened?

OP if you want to have lines and look wrinkly then go for it. Seriously.

But why must you force others to hold the same opinions and thoughts as you. Genuinely just concern yourself with yourself. You must be really insecure over your looks to start this kind of thread.

MasterBeth · 27/09/2025 23:38

(I would also say, the blue line across your eyes doesn't disguise your identity at all, and if you don't want your identity here to be public, you should probably name change or delete the photo.)

jbm16 · 27/09/2025 23:35

gillefc82 · 27/09/2025 23:25

Being brave given some of the comments on this thread but here goes!

Photo on the left is of me aged 37, taken in June/July 2019 shortly before my wedding and prior to having any Botox. Photo on the right was taken in July this year, aged 43 having had a top up end of May.

I’m still able to be fully expressive and smile equally as brightly. For me, when I compare both pictures, and even allowing for being 6 years older, I much prefer how I look in the more recent one; with no deep frown lines on my forehead and smoother crows feet by my eyes. I am able to wear less makeup and what I do doesn’t gather in any lines. And I may sound trite, but I think you can see I feel more confident and comfortable in my eyes.

As I said in my pp, I respect that not everyone wants, needs or agrees with the principle of having cosmetic procedures, for a multitude of reasons and I respect they feel that way. For me, it makes a huge difference to my self confidence - especially as I’m now right in the thick of perimenopause and all the bountiful crap that brings! So, given I’m not pushing procedures on anyone else, I don’t see why my personal choices should cause a problem for others.

Hard hat firmly on for any comments!! 😉😂

If you are happy, that is all that matters..

Hard to compare the two photos, but on first glance I would say the photo on the left looks more natural, but perhaps that's the light of photo.

Pineconesandpetals · 27/09/2025 23:32

You can absolutely be left the fuck alone op, to do or not do whatever you want to your face and body, that is your right. It is also the right of everyone else, don’t you think?

MasterBeth · 27/09/2025 23:32

gillefc82 · 27/09/2025 23:25

Being brave given some of the comments on this thread but here goes!

Photo on the left is of me aged 37, taken in June/July 2019 shortly before my wedding and prior to having any Botox. Photo on the right was taken in July this year, aged 43 having had a top up end of May.

I’m still able to be fully expressive and smile equally as brightly. For me, when I compare both pictures, and even allowing for being 6 years older, I much prefer how I look in the more recent one; with no deep frown lines on my forehead and smoother crows feet by my eyes. I am able to wear less makeup and what I do doesn’t gather in any lines. And I may sound trite, but I think you can see I feel more confident and comfortable in my eyes.

As I said in my pp, I respect that not everyone wants, needs or agrees with the principle of having cosmetic procedures, for a multitude of reasons and I respect they feel that way. For me, it makes a huge difference to my self confidence - especially as I’m now right in the thick of perimenopause and all the bountiful crap that brings! So, given I’m not pushing procedures on anyone else, I don’t see why my personal choices should cause a problem for others.

Hard hat firmly on for any comments!! 😉😂

You look more human in the left-hand photo and more plastic in the right.

MasterBeth · 27/09/2025 23:30

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Well, quite clearly, you think "wrinkly" is a slur.

Well done on cultivating that sexist and ageist opinion all on your own.

Megirlan123 · 27/09/2025 23:27

lavendermilkshake · 27/09/2025 23:21

It’s also insulting that you can’t accept what others do without calling it weird.

Having a highly poisonous toxin injected into your face, which is right next to your brain, is indeed a really weird thing to do and to have normalised.

Do you drink alcohol? Ever smoked?

Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean you get to insult

Pippa12 · 27/09/2025 23:25

lavendermilkshake · 27/09/2025 23:21

It’s also insulting that you can’t accept what others do without calling it weird.

Having a highly poisonous toxin injected into your face, which is right next to your brain, is indeed a really weird thing to do and to have normalised.

Yet drinking alcohol is socially acceptable with no benefits whatsoever.

gillefc82 · 27/09/2025 23:25

Being brave given some of the comments on this thread but here goes!

Photo on the left is of me aged 37, taken in June/July 2019 shortly before my wedding and prior to having any Botox. Photo on the right was taken in July this year, aged 43 having had a top up end of May.

I’m still able to be fully expressive and smile equally as brightly. For me, when I compare both pictures, and even allowing for being 6 years older, I much prefer how I look in the more recent one; with no deep frown lines on my forehead and smoother crows feet by my eyes. I am able to wear less makeup and what I do doesn’t gather in any lines. And I may sound trite, but I think you can see I feel more confident and comfortable in my eyes.

As I said in my pp, I respect that not everyone wants, needs or agrees with the principle of having cosmetic procedures, for a multitude of reasons and I respect they feel that way. For me, it makes a huge difference to my self confidence - especially as I’m now right in the thick of perimenopause and all the bountiful crap that brings! So, given I’m not pushing procedures on anyone else, I don’t see why my personal choices should cause a problem for others.

Hard hat firmly on for any comments!! 😉😂

Botox & frozen faces
lavendermilkshake · 27/09/2025 23:21

It’s also insulting that you can’t accept what others do without calling it weird.

Having a highly poisonous toxin injected into your face, which is right next to your brain, is indeed a really weird thing to do and to have normalised.

Megirlan123 · 27/09/2025 23:16

Expressionless · 27/09/2025 22:06

The strangely aggressive defensiveness from those who’ve had Botox is quite depressing really. Especially those posters trying to insinuate this is bashing women!

This is about women not accepting the youth and beauty standards being marketed to them. Or feeling under pressure to inject their faces with a poison to look fresher or (insert youthful sounding word).

Do we get better treatment from others or have a better life if we look fresher? Probably.

Normalising frozen or semi-frozen faces is such a weird thing for humanity.

I don’t think you are getting the point?

As someone who is a regular Botox user, it feels like you don’t understand why people who use Botox would be offended by your post.

It’s not strange to defend yourself and your choices and I would suggest you are verging into passive aggressive territory with some of your posts.

To make it clear, I do not feel under any pressure to inject my face, I do it because I want to and because I like how it makes me look. I don’t really care if anyone else likes it or not, it’s about self confidence for me. However, I’m not stupid and I think it’s insulting of you to suggest that people like me don’t see or accept that ‘the youth and beauty standards being marketed to them.’
Most things in life are marketed.

Do I get better treatment because I have less wrinkles. Doubt it to be honest?

It’s also insulting that you can’t accept what others do without calling it weird.

Megirlan123 · 27/09/2025 23:01

MayaPinion · 27/09/2025 22:18

You can either look old or you can look weird. You’ve already looked young because you were young. You can look old because you are old - and it’s completely normal to look older as you get older, or you can look weird. You can erase some lines, plump some cheeks, and lipo some chunks, but really, you just look a bit weird. It looks fine on the television but in real life I’m seeing tired skin with porn star lips, permanently startled expressions, tired eyes, and weird eyebrows.

Oh stop 😂 That's ridiculous,

Not everyone goes for the dramatic frozen look. My treatments are subtle and I’m confident that I neither look weird nor am I trying to look ‘young’ That ship has definitely sailed.

Megirlan123 · 27/09/2025 22:58

I’m 46 and have been having 3-4 monthly Botox injections since I was 38.
I do it because I want to , I will carry on doing it as long as I feel like it. And actually, I do it to feel better about myself.
Also, I can move my eyebrows etc, my face is certainly not frozen, just more smooth. I also get fillers too , can still move my face and I will not apologise for wanting to do so.

lavendermilkshake · 27/09/2025 22:57

AmyDuPlantier · 27/09/2025 22:53

And you know I have filler based on….

I didn't say you personally had filler. You asked what would be puffing up your face, in response to this (after saying you don't want to ever age):

Ever? Will you be pushing 80 with a frozen, puffed up face?

After Botox, come the attempts to fill in the sag. Unless you imagine every older famous actress and tv personality walking around with strange puffy faces now was actually going for that look.

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 27/09/2025 22:56

I have a bit of Botox occasionally.

I look happier and fresher when I have it. People comment how I look good / fresh faced after I have it (I let it fully wear off in between, get it less than once a year). I haven't been blessed with good bone structure or particularly good looks and have inherited my father's very wrinkly smile so eliminating a few of the wrinkles that make me look frowny.

I work in an industry that is sadly a bit ageist and as much as it annoys me and wish it wasn't true, looking older for my age could affect my job prospects.

I find most people I know who are really anti any tweakments tend to be those who have great cheekbones, no jowls, good skin etc.

Amybelle88 · 27/09/2025 22:54

I get Botox in two places on my forehead as I have really deep lines that I didn’t like. I can still move my face and I keep my crows feet cos I think they’re cute! To each their own I say but I don’t think practitioners should be allowed to take it as far as some do.

Lasm · 27/09/2025 22:54

InterestPiqued · 27/09/2025 22:43

Oh shush. I have Botox about once a year. I’m neither frozen nor expressionless because I have an excellent injector. That’s such a nonsensical old trope.

I am however, unlined at 52. I like this. I don’t expect others to follow suit, although 9 of my friends now see my aesthetic doctor because they asked me about my skincare regime. I happen to think we’re lucky nowadays to have quick and easy remedies to unattractive lines. Good luck to anyone that enjoys their wrinkles - I don’t.

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This!

AmyDuPlantier · 27/09/2025 22:53

lavendermilkshake · 27/09/2025 22:45

The enormous amounts of filler that people who have atrophied their facial muscles over many years are then required to have shot into their faces to offset the sag from muscle atrophy. It's a look.

And you know I have filler based on….

Lasm · 27/09/2025 22:53

Expressionless · 27/09/2025 21:31

But why can’t we have lines at 48 and that be okay? Why do we need to be freshened?

I suppose it’s because I can… I saw a photo a few years back and I was shocked at my face! Of course I have aged, but I saw this photo and thought gosh, I look tired, I can see all the lines…I looked tired so that’s why I thought I’d have Botox… and I love it!
unashamedly love it! I have no issue with people who do or don’t have it, each to their own! But for me, I wanted to be refreshed, I feel better for having it…. I have a smooth line free forehead, my eyes are unlined and I look better…. You may disagree if you met me… but I know I do, it’s purely for me!
of course it’s fine for women to age, have lines, wrinkles, and if they don’t want to look ‘refreshed’ that’s fine! But I choose to do the opposite!

jbm16 · 27/09/2025 22:48

I think it depends how much work you get, I have seen some people have small amount of work and looks ok, but have one friend who was extremely beautiful, but has ruined her face by using too much.

I don't think you can blame men for this, most men I know don't like it either.

lavendermilkshake · 27/09/2025 22:45

AmyDuPlantier · 27/09/2025 22:40

What’s puffing up my face?

The enormous amounts of filler that people who have atrophied their facial muscles over many years are then required to have shot into their faces to offset the sag from muscle atrophy. It's a look.

InterestPiqued · 27/09/2025 22:43

Oh shush. I have Botox about once a year. I’m neither frozen nor expressionless because I have an excellent injector. That’s such a nonsensical old trope.

I am however, unlined at 52. I like this. I don’t expect others to follow suit, although 9 of my friends now see my aesthetic doctor because they asked me about my skincare regime. I happen to think we’re lucky nowadays to have quick and easy remedies to unattractive lines. Good luck to anyone that enjoys their wrinkles - I don’t.

AmyDuPlantier · 27/09/2025 22:40

Peachandpassionfruit · 27/09/2025 22:15

Ever? Will you be pushing 80 with a frozen, puffed up face?

What’s puffing up my face?

Nearly50omg · 27/09/2025 22:38

People who have frozen faces have gone to someone who doesn’t actually know how to inject properly. Real specialists inject and lift the face where needed and stop the lines etc but non of the movement