Botox & frozen faces

Well I think you are rather proving the point about people who use botox being extremely defensive and unpleasant.

I don't see the thread as being goady.

I find it extremely worrying that botox users are so detremind to silence anyone who says anything negative about the use of botox. They are desperate to normalise it's use and I think that is a very dangerous attitude that is very negative for the wellbeing of women.

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Right next to your brain 😂

You can express your opinion without an ‘I’m much happier with myself than you’ attitude.
I have occasional Botox and profhilo, I also dye my hair. I do that for me, I couldn’t care less what people like you and the OP think about that. I look exactly like myself, still retaining my individuality (the sneering audacity of you). The only unpleasantness I see is this goady thread.

Aging is a reminder that time is passing.
Some get anxious seeing their face change and want to preserve time by freezing their looks.

But that's my point. If posters on Mumsnet have access to and can afford good ones, then film stars are hardly going to go cheap.

Honestly I feel my most energised and confident and fabulous after a bit of Botox, nails, hair done, gym done. I don’t do it for anyone else, just me and my endorphins.

You sound like you could do with a few of those OP.

I don't drink alcohol. I don't smoke. And I am not insulting, unless you find stating facts is insulting.

But if I did drink or smoke, i would not be injecting those toxins directly into my face, which is rich in important nerves, and close as I said to the brain, and also the eyes, which I prefer to keep my use of. YMMV.

They all get it done though? So unless you think all older actresses in Hollywood look awful, then you are just noticing the bad ones.

If you don’t prefer the look, don’t get Botox done. It’s really that simple.

I get baby Botox to prevent this outcome and I prefer this look, you may not and that’s ok. No need to tear down other women.

My only concern as posted on page 1, is the young early 20 somethings having 'tweakments' they don't need. Lip fillers, the eyebrow thing and botox.

Will they all end up Weildstein (?) in their 30s?

I want my two front teeth sorted - not turkey teeth, but something to cover the broken, cracked enamel. I still have a lovely smile, but it puts me off smiling! I'd love a neck tightening of some sort. If anything exists for chest wrinkles, I'd absolutely have all these things if I could afford them.

I'm 50, I'm a grandmother, it doesn't mean I want to turn in to my Nan just yet though.

All treatments would be for my own self confidence... So I've come full circle... Young pretty girls with low self esteem or lack of confidence because they don't look like somebody on TV.

Genuine question - All those on the thread who say they've had it done to look natural and not frozen and they've got a professional practitioner etc... How is it that we see so many female stars who are millionaires and it looks blummin awful?! They can afford the best of the best. Is it because it only really shows when you are older?

I'd go for the face-lift at my age. That would probably include regular top ups 🤣 Yeah £2.77 in my bank until payday 😂

For goodness sake!
I am a feminist but I do have Botox, for me.
I am 57, single, with no desire for a man.
But I have Botox, lip filler, have my nails done, eyebrows tattooed etc, because it makes ME feel good.
Why do women do this to each other?
Support each other, we are not all doing it for the male gaze.
i personally love to look good, because it makes ME feel happy.
Surely feminism can also align with making personal choices, without judgement from other women?
We are so so lucky in the West that we can make those choices, and are not forced to wear burkhas and hide ourselves.
We are all individuals, and can make choices for ourselves.

I worked with 3 females who all started at work within weeks of each other. Because I worked part time I didn’t get to know them well ,I genuinely didn’t know who was who when I worked with them . They all looked the same 🤦‍♀️
My son has a partner and she just looks lovely and natural,a big difference.

When my skin went haywire about 10 years ago, I started wearing full coverage foundation to cover everything up, which meant having to do full makeup looks to match it every day (eyes, brows, cheeks, lips!) and I was so self conscious about my skin I wouldn’t go anywhere outside the house without makeup up on. It actually started becoming a bit of an issue with my now DH as we couldn’t just ‘pop’ somewhere quickly - I’d need an hour to get my face on.

Now my skin is in a much better place, I typically only use skin tints / serum foundations that give sheer coverage with some cream blush, a coat of mascara and a tinted lip balm. I much prefer my more natural look too, plus it only takes me 20 minutes to do my skin care and make up routine in the morning vs an hour+!!

As I’ve said all along, each to their own. I respect not everyone will agree with tinkering with the usual process of ageing but I just struggle to understand why anyone would feel the need to comment and/or judge people for that personal choices? And as you say, the same argument could be made for dyeing your hair to cover up greys, which I suspect most women after a certain age will be doing.

For me, it makes me feel good about myself, particularly at this phase of my life when at times my own body feels like it’s a stranger to me and is beginning to change in unpleasant, unpredictable and novel ways. Me having some Botox 2-3 times a year isn’t harming anyone else, I can pay for it comfortably myself and without going into debt and my DH is happy with how I look and how that happens as long as I’m happy (although he does tell me he thinks I’m gorgeous regardless bless him!)

I genuinely don’t see the problem unless botched Botox procedures are costing the NHS multi-millions to put right and I’m just blissfully unaware?

It's all well and good saying it's personal choice and that it's on one's business, but I think it's everyone's business. For me, the pressure to inject toxins into our faces to try and look youthful and to meet modern beauty standards, is a huge feminist issue under modern patriarchy. If people truly don't think think things like botox are driven by the male gaze, they need to think harder.

I'm particularly talking about women in their early 20's who already have faces full of botox, lip filler, etc.

I get Botox as well, but only a little bit here and there so unless I told anyone they would not be able to tell, I like it and it makes me look less stressed, I don’t do it to look younger and it definitely doesn’t do that anyway

I am 47. I have zero interest in getting Botox. It might make people look good in photos but we live in a 3d unfiltered world and there is nothing more beautiful than raw expression.

Well. You can be left the fuck alone, to age, and to have a face that moves and shows your expressions and feelings.
I personally hate that my forehead has massive deep 11’s lines and I have Botox to counteract it. I’m 41 and have been doing so for about 5 years now.
maybe you’re blessed with better skin or are less frowny than I am.
I don’t have Botox for anyone other than myself. In fact my husband would probably prefer it if I didn’t spend £300 on it every 4 months but it makes me happier and more confident.
I couldn’t give a rats arse what other women decide to do, whether they have Botox or don’t have Botox…. maybe you should spend less time thinking about it?

Makes me laugh how many of the people commenting here will use face creams, make up etc to try and make their skin look nice, dye their hair... But judge others for Botox which is SO effective and makes the skin look incredible. (I use it every 6 months and the effect has blown me away - I barely wear any make up and am usually a "natural girl").

Thank you. That’s lovely. x

Thank you. To try and find comparable pictures where I’m looking straight into camera (or as close as possible) and a photo that’s recent was difficult! I’m rubbish at taking pics on holiday/when out, as is my DH, and I often do more profile pictures when posing for photos too. Lighting isn’t the best on the right pic as at dusk, where as first one is during daytime.

You look incredible.

This topic again - is SO BORING