Botox & frozen faces

You really are lovely.

I'll also add, because of all the "won't someone think of the children" stuff...

Teenagers and young women are influenced by TikTokers, social media influencers, music videos and the like. They're not influenced by middle aged, non-famous women discreetly getting their 11s fixed between work, the school run and the MOT. If you are a morally pure altruist who is just hugely concerned about young women's rights and wellbeing, there are so many other places to start these days that I don't know where to begin. But you're not, so it doesn't matter.

There is never going to be any give for you is there. You will battle to the end shoving your opinion down anyone’s throat is they dare disagree.
Yet I bet you are a huge advocate of free speech.

This!!!

Exactly this!!

God, the hypocrisy of this post. You're projecting more than Cineworld. Just go and get the Botox you so clearly desperately want and stop subjecting people to this sort of self-awareness-free hogwash. You'll actually be massively disappointed by what a piddling little procedure it is and how little anyone will notice or care. Except those desperate to get it themselves, of course.

Fair enough.
But you are still saying it is weird. I find that part insulting.
Anyway, I don’t know what the letters mean at the end of your post.

But wanting to remain youthful is not a new concept.
Either way it’s still none of your business or concern what other people do to their own bodies. I’m absolutely baffled by this.

You're seeing snobbery where there's none because you're projecting your own misplaced sense of superiority and moral judgement.

Yes, I use good practitioners. Never used the phrase "best injectors" but they're doctors and nurses, so it's a given that they're qualified, and they do right by their patients. Am I supposed to risk a bodge job by a shyster to prove I'm not a snob to the likes of you? Would that be morally superior or just fucking stupid?

Clearly, you want to have Botox but you won't because you put a moral value on it that it doesn't have. But then you become angry because others don't buy your judgement, don't give a shit that you wrongly think it's a moral failing, do it and enjoy the benefits. So you tell them all sorts of crap, up to and including blaming them for society's ills and being snobs for using reputable clinics.

But this is your issue, not mine. Get Botox or don't get Botox, it's up to you, because the problem is 100% yours.

I disagree with your post. I don’t get Botox - and that is my personal choice and preference (as it is yours) about what I do with MY body.

What is unnecessary is to have opinion about what OTHER women do to their bodies. It would clearly not be ok for a woman who gets Botox to say she thinks other women should do to stop them looking old. But it is equally judgemental for you to say women who get Botox look frozen and expressionless, etc.

I agree that society’s standards around feminine beauty, weight and ageing are damaging. But attacking other women’s choices is not the answer. Women’s bodies are constantly up for comment & judgement in a way that men simply wouldn’t tolerate. It’s no one else’s business what someone else puts in or on their own body - whether that’s Botox, junk food/carbs, weight-loss injections.

The reason you are being met with defensiveness is because you are judging.

Mildly challenging you to think outside your viewpoint is not a comment on your character, it's not a weird personal agenda against you, and it's certainly not 'gaslighting' so please don't use language to suggest that somehow I've behaved inappropriately on this thread. That actually would be gaslighting.
I've contributed and could say more, its actually an interesting subject if we could just get past the focus of criticism of other women, which never sits right with me. A discussion on the root cause of negativity towards aging would have been interesting @RingoJuice made some interesting comments on that.

I was obese at age 11, I spent my entire life from that point to this year fat. This year I have finally lost the weight and I am now slim. I am 42 years old and I wanted to have some years both slim and non-wrinkly. I only have enough to stave off the 11 lines that I have because of scowling at my work computer too much, I am still able to raise my eyebrows to demonstrate my contempt or highlight sarcasm, I still get the little crinkles round my eyes when I laugh. I am very very happy with my decision and happen to think I look fantastic.

I am enough and do what I want so butt out of other people's choices!
Again : i do it for me, stop flogging the fucking horse. I get that you don’t like it or approve. Point made :)
Tell me though how it’s different from judging what women wear?!

Oh live and let live, you do you and let everyone else do the same…..if Botox isn’t for you then great, I personally love getting it and fully intend to hold onto my looks for as long as possible but if you don’t feel the same then that’s fine as-well……by the way I get small undetectable amounts that are cleverly placed so I certainly do not have the ‘frozen’ look

Since time began some women have been doing things to try and maintain their beauty ( cleopatra and milk baths), so I don’t know why you think things should be different now.

There are two specific things that some people have done that I think always look terrible. So I haven't had these things done. What others want to do is no concern of mine.

You literally make no sense. Who am I judging and looking down on, women who don’t have any work done? Each to their own. You are the one looking down on people, being sanctimonious, pretending to care about women and their self esteem. All so you can be pious about being natural and individual. If anyone needs to ‘give over’, it’s you.

What happened to growing a fringe? 😂 I thought that was the plan to hide signs of ageing.

That’s a 9 year old child’s retort, cringeworthy. I hope you don’t get your hair cut as you won’t want scissor near your brain.

Botox - done well - is the best thing ever.

You look amazing!

I agree, but you can argue the same about any beauty treatment and also things like the weight loss jabs.

I think you're kidding yourself if you think no men get Botox. I think it's pretty common at least with media people and celebs.