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A wave of illiterate “home schooled” children

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RedSkyatNight25 · 27/09/2025 06:58

Prepared to get torn apart, and I know many homeschool because the school environment isn’t right for their children (SEN, sensory issues - whatever else) and their needs aren’t met by school with a chronic lack of SEN placements and too much demand etc. I’m not naive to that. I also know some parents with adequate resource will ensure their children have a rounded education whilst being homeschooled.

But there seems to be a movement to homeschooling by people who are simply anti establishment with a point to prove. Their grammar and communication on social media tells me they’re not equipped to homeschool a child. Not least I think the socialisation and soft skills school provides are hugely important too. I suspect most of these parents either haven’t considered the benefits of school or hugely underestimated it, especially past primary are parents really equipped to teach ALL the subjects with sufficient skill if they lack the knowledge themselves? Are they not underestimating the skills and expertise of qualified teachers?

AIBU to think it’s really concerning? These are the next generation of our workforce and infrastructure. I personally think we are hugely privileged to live in a country with free education - I know it’s not perfect but I’m not convinced homeschooling is better for a vast majority.

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Uggbootsforever · 28/09/2025 18:40

GagMeWithASpoon · 28/09/2025 18:08

GirGuinding, climbing coach, drama group and online tutoring?

Where did you learn to read and comprehension skills?

Really? Because it all sounds like ‘negotiation’.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 28/09/2025 18:38

pokewoman · 28/09/2025 18:34

So for us:

Time management: we have a structured approach to home ed so he has, say, three tasks to do a day. Some might take him 3 hours to do, others might take him 20 mins. He has the 'school day' to do them (other kids go to school, so we generally stick to school times). However, last week he wanted to go do a day out with another home ed family, so he knew he had fo find other times during the week to do those tasks.

Communication - hangs put with friends who are both home ed and in school. Goes to st john cadets, visits the library on his own and sits talking to rhe librarians with a cuppa, home ed group, youth Council (last year met members of the senedd to talk about the nhs)

Conflict resolution- normal hanging out with mates. Still goes and hangs out with his friends at the park, plays football, goes into town. Also has brothers close in age.

Negotiating- typical teenager who negotiates bedtime/pocket money/curfews

Following instructions/getting on with stuff - cadets, doing g the work hes been set even if he hates it, general life.

Just a very normal teenage boy, just doesnt go to school for his education.

Don't bother, you'll be called defensive. Apparently, the way forums work is that someone states an opinion and no one is allowed to give real life examples that might disabuse them of their notion.

pokewoman · 28/09/2025 18:34

KickHimInTheCrotch · 28/09/2025 17:16

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeschoolRecovery/comments/1ac4vdb/map_of_homeschool_laws_in_europe/

Interesting that home ed is illegal in many parts of Europe. I'd support stricter controls in the UK, I'm not sure its the best option for the majority of children.

I'm pretty well educated and could probably home educate my children to a decent level if i really put my mind to it but not alongside earning enough money to pay the bills. Plus I think the soft skills learned in school (negotiation, managing conflict, listening, communication, time management etc) would be hard to replicate outside of school.

So for us:

Time management: we have a structured approach to home ed so he has, say, three tasks to do a day. Some might take him 3 hours to do, others might take him 20 mins. He has the 'school day' to do them (other kids go to school, so we generally stick to school times). However, last week he wanted to go do a day out with another home ed family, so he knew he had fo find other times during the week to do those tasks.

Communication - hangs put with friends who are both home ed and in school. Goes to st john cadets, visits the library on his own and sits talking to rhe librarians with a cuppa, home ed group, youth Council (last year met members of the senedd to talk about the nhs)

Conflict resolution- normal hanging out with mates. Still goes and hangs out with his friends at the park, plays football, goes into town. Also has brothers close in age.

Negotiating- typical teenager who negotiates bedtime/pocket money/curfews

Following instructions/getting on with stuff - cadets, doing g the work hes been set even if he hates it, general life.

Just a very normal teenage boy, just doesnt go to school for his education.

Gwenhwyfar · 28/09/2025 18:31

Buttercupflowers · 28/09/2025 18:04

No formal inspections but standards have to be met.

Who checks that the standards are met if there are no inspections?

GagMeWithASpoon · 28/09/2025 18:29

Buttercupflowers · 28/09/2025 18:11

Parents must ensure they follow the rules and responsibilities outlined in the Education Act 1996.

Edited

It would be easier if you gave specific examples, but I don’t want to waste your time since the LA has no actual legal power to enforce any of it. They can ask for x,y,x and parents can completely refuse or only agree to x . Then , only after a lengthy process AND if the LA can be bothered , there MIGHT be a return to school action.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 28/09/2025 18:13

Uggbootsforever · 28/09/2025 18:00

Where has she learned how to follow an order and grit her teeth and just do something?

When it's her turn to do the laundry even though she'd much rather be rewatching KPop Demon Hunters (again 🙄)
When she's really enjoying Minecraft but it's time for a live tutor session.
When her clothes need folding and putting away but she's building Lego.
When her climbing coach needs her to stop or move or change the way she's doing something for safety reasons.
When the director gives an instruction.
Right now, when I've told her to turn the TV off and go and pack her clothes 😂

She follows instructions all the time. She'll also question instructions where appropriate, which we encourage.

KickHimInTheCrotch · 28/09/2025 18:13

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 28/09/2025 18:03

Interesting interpretation; I wasn't being defensive, nor do people need an invitation to reply to your posts on an open forum. You said "I think the soft skills would be hard to replicate outside of school". I gave one example of how a family could replicate those soft skills. I'd encourage you to explore why you feel that's defensive.

Your post comes across as though you felt you needed to list the ways that your DC are not being let down by your decision to HE.

I am sure your DC are doing great. But not everyone accesses all these clubs and activities and can be a little isolated.

Buttercupflowers · 28/09/2025 18:11

GagMeWithASpoon · 28/09/2025 18:09

What are those standards?

Parents must ensure they follow the rules and responsibilities outlined in the Education Act 1996.

GagMeWithASpoon · 28/09/2025 18:09

Buttercupflowers · 28/09/2025 18:04

No formal inspections but standards have to be met.

What are those standards?

GagMeWithASpoon · 28/09/2025 18:08

Uggbootsforever · 28/09/2025 18:00

Where has she learned how to follow an order and grit her teeth and just do something?

GirGuinding, climbing coach, drama group and online tutoring?

Where did you learn to read and comprehension skills?

Buttercupflowers · 28/09/2025 18:04

Gwenhwyfar · 28/09/2025 17:03

Right so none of that long thing states that inspections are compulsory in all local authorities from my quick reading.

No formal inspections but standards have to be met.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 28/09/2025 18:03

KickHimInTheCrotch · 28/09/2025 17:59

My post wasn't really meant to be a criticism or an invitation to defensively list all the ways that you do a great job. It was just a thought; that this could be difficult to replicate for some home educators. Clearly if you're out at climbing lessons and theatre groups all day then your child is getting something akin to a school-based education, although on your own timetable, and of course will develop those additional skills.

Interesting interpretation; I wasn't being defensive, nor do people need an invitation to reply to your posts on an open forum. You said "I think the soft skills would be hard to replicate outside of school". I gave one example of how a family could replicate those soft skills. I'd encourage you to explore why you feel that's defensive.

Uggbootsforever · 28/09/2025 18:00

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 28/09/2025 17:36

Just to give some examples off the top of my head:

Negotiation: DD negotiates fair space sharing on the climbing wall, she negotiates during activities at Girlguiding, she negotiates things like screen time with us at home, she negotiates anything and everything with her friends.

Managing conflict: DD learns conflict management with her very vocal Guide group, she observes it in public all the time, she sees it in books and TV and we discuss how she would approach it, and she manages conflict with friends.

Listening: she develops listening skills through attending online tutoring, through listening to her climbing coach to improve and avoid injury, through listening to the director and choreographer at her theatre group, through listening to us as her parents.

Communication: she develops this through theatre groups, group tutorials, playing with friends, home ed events, every day communication. Unlike many school children, she's good at talking to both children and adults respectfully.

Time management: she has to learn how to manage her time because it isn't being done for her by school bells etc. She has things she wants to do and things she needs to do, sometimes she'll do a combination (where the negotiation comes in) but she knows she has a time it needs to be done by and is learning how to manage her time to achieve her needs and her wants.

Those haven't been difficult to replicate outside of school; they've occurred naturally as part of how we home ed.

Where has she learned how to follow an order and grit her teeth and just do something?

KickHimInTheCrotch · 28/09/2025 17:59

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 28/09/2025 17:36

Just to give some examples off the top of my head:

Negotiation: DD negotiates fair space sharing on the climbing wall, she negotiates during activities at Girlguiding, she negotiates things like screen time with us at home, she negotiates anything and everything with her friends.

Managing conflict: DD learns conflict management with her very vocal Guide group, she observes it in public all the time, she sees it in books and TV and we discuss how she would approach it, and she manages conflict with friends.

Listening: she develops listening skills through attending online tutoring, through listening to her climbing coach to improve and avoid injury, through listening to the director and choreographer at her theatre group, through listening to us as her parents.

Communication: she develops this through theatre groups, group tutorials, playing with friends, home ed events, every day communication. Unlike many school children, she's good at talking to both children and adults respectfully.

Time management: she has to learn how to manage her time because it isn't being done for her by school bells etc. She has things she wants to do and things she needs to do, sometimes she'll do a combination (where the negotiation comes in) but she knows she has a time it needs to be done by and is learning how to manage her time to achieve her needs and her wants.

Those haven't been difficult to replicate outside of school; they've occurred naturally as part of how we home ed.

My post wasn't really meant to be a criticism or an invitation to defensively list all the ways that you do a great job. It was just a thought; that this could be difficult to replicate for some home educators. Clearly if you're out at climbing lessons and theatre groups all day then your child is getting something akin to a school-based education, although on your own timetable, and of course will develop those additional skills.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 28/09/2025 17:36

KickHimInTheCrotch · 28/09/2025 17:16

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeschoolRecovery/comments/1ac4vdb/map_of_homeschool_laws_in_europe/

Interesting that home ed is illegal in many parts of Europe. I'd support stricter controls in the UK, I'm not sure its the best option for the majority of children.

I'm pretty well educated and could probably home educate my children to a decent level if i really put my mind to it but not alongside earning enough money to pay the bills. Plus I think the soft skills learned in school (negotiation, managing conflict, listening, communication, time management etc) would be hard to replicate outside of school.

Just to give some examples off the top of my head:

Negotiation: DD negotiates fair space sharing on the climbing wall, she negotiates during activities at Girlguiding, she negotiates things like screen time with us at home, she negotiates anything and everything with her friends.

Managing conflict: DD learns conflict management with her very vocal Guide group, she observes it in public all the time, she sees it in books and TV and we discuss how she would approach it, and she manages conflict with friends.

Listening: she develops listening skills through attending online tutoring, through listening to her climbing coach to improve and avoid injury, through listening to the director and choreographer at her theatre group, through listening to us as her parents.

Communication: she develops this through theatre groups, group tutorials, playing with friends, home ed events, every day communication. Unlike many school children, she's good at talking to both children and adults respectfully.

Time management: she has to learn how to manage her time because it isn't being done for her by school bells etc. She has things she wants to do and things she needs to do, sometimes she'll do a combination (where the negotiation comes in) but she knows she has a time it needs to be done by and is learning how to manage her time to achieve her needs and her wants.

Those haven't been difficult to replicate outside of school; they've occurred naturally as part of how we home ed.

GagMeWithASpoon · 28/09/2025 17:31

Gwenhwyfar · 28/09/2025 17:04

More youthful or less mature lol.

Depends what you consider maturity.

BestZebbie · 28/09/2025 17:24

Anewuser · 27/09/2025 08:04

There isn’t just one reason for Elective Home Education though.

I work in a school and see the school refusers trying to make it through the gates. When they finally manage it, they are unable to cope with the demands put upon them and inevitably damaged property/assault staff until their parent is called, they then refuse to leave site.

Just this week, we had a child’s EHCP go to panel where our school said we could not meet their needs, the local authority made the decision that mainstream is the right environment for them. Another one of our school children has been out of education since last summer while the LA have been trying to find a suitable placement (unsuccessfully).

If a child has an EHCP, the parent can’t just decide to Home Educate, they have to apply to EHE and are then overseen until the child reaches the end of their education.

This isn’t actually true - if a child has a place in an LA provided “special school” then they require LA permission to deregister to EHE (although this should not be withheld arbitrarily).

If they are in mainstream with an EHCP they can deregister at will, the EHCP is suspended. It should still be reviewed annually in case the child goes back into education but the parents are not obliged to provide the provisions listed in it (as most usually aren’t relevant outside a classroom anyway) and the funding stops - EHE parents get no money to support the needs, the LA just gets to save that cash.

KickHimInTheCrotch · 28/09/2025 17:16

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeschoolRecovery/comments/1ac4vdb/map_of_homeschool_laws_in_europe/

Interesting that home ed is illegal in many parts of Europe. I'd support stricter controls in the UK, I'm not sure its the best option for the majority of children.

I'm pretty well educated and could probably home educate my children to a decent level if i really put my mind to it but not alongside earning enough money to pay the bills. Plus I think the soft skills learned in school (negotiation, managing conflict, listening, communication, time management etc) would be hard to replicate outside of school.

Gwenhwyfar · 28/09/2025 17:04

Leftrightmiddle · 28/09/2025 16:37

Often children that home Ed are in some ways more youthful. They have more time to play and explore and less pressures to conform to peers. Less fear of being bullied for liking younger activities
I see this as a positive

More youthful or less mature lol.

Gwenhwyfar · 28/09/2025 17:03

Buttercupflowers · 28/09/2025 16:55

From the link I posted.

"Local authorities will have their own policies on elective home education, usually available on their websites, and it is advisable to familiarise yourself with the procedures in place in your locality. Evidence can be provided through home visits, meetings outside of the home, explaining your educational philosophy or providing written evidence."

"While there is no legislation dealing directly with home schooling in the UK, the 1996 Education Act specifies that children must receive an education that is full-time, efficient, and suitable for their needs"

More info
"Local authorities may make informal inquiries to ensure a suitable education is provided. They can request information about your educational approach and may visit your home, though you are not legally obliged to allow home visits."

"Under Section 437(1) Education Act 1996, local authorities shall intervene if it appears that the parents are not providing a suitable education. They can serve a notice in writing to the parent asking the parent to demonstrate that the child is receiving a suitable education and setting a specified period of time in which the parent must demonstrate this. That period of time should not be less than 15 days from the date on which the notice was served."

Right so none of that long thing states that inspections are compulsory in all local authorities from my quick reading.

Buttercupflowers · 28/09/2025 16:55

Gwenhwyfar · 28/09/2025 16:20

I'm not going to read that whole website. My understanding was that inspections are not compulsory.

From the link I posted.

"Local authorities will have their own policies on elective home education, usually available on their websites, and it is advisable to familiarise yourself with the procedures in place in your locality. Evidence can be provided through home visits, meetings outside of the home, explaining your educational philosophy or providing written evidence."

"While there is no legislation dealing directly with home schooling in the UK, the 1996 Education Act specifies that children must receive an education that is full-time, efficient, and suitable for their needs"

More info
"Local authorities may make informal inquiries to ensure a suitable education is provided. They can request information about your educational approach and may visit your home, though you are not legally obliged to allow home visits."

"Under Section 437(1) Education Act 1996, local authorities shall intervene if it appears that the parents are not providing a suitable education. They can serve a notice in writing to the parent asking the parent to demonstrate that the child is receiving a suitable education and setting a specified period of time in which the parent must demonstrate this. That period of time should not be less than 15 days from the date on which the notice was served."

Seymour5 · 28/09/2025 16:51

Some great answers re how families cope financially, thanks everyone who responded. My experience is pretty limited firstly to the teacher who successfully home taught up to secondary age and a family I currently know, none of whose children go to school. Not sure how much actual education they get. Neither parent goes out to work. Their DGM really worries about them. Vastly different scenarios.

Leftrightmiddle · 28/09/2025 16:40

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 28/09/2025 15:36

£2 Tuition Hub is brilliant, you can either do live lessons or recorded ones (or a mix of both). We've been using them for a while and are really impressed.

We use the recorded lessons. This also means we can pause if needed, rewatch and skip things if needed.

Leftrightmiddle · 28/09/2025 16:37

Itdoesntmatteranyway · 28/09/2025 14:02

I’m a secondary teacher and we had open day this week for year 6. A girl came with her parents and she was currently homeschooled. I don’t know what she was like academically (I can guess, but I won’t) but in every other way she was miles behind the others. It was like talking to an 8 year old. She will really really struggle in September whichever secondary she attends which I’m sure will reinforce her parents decision to homeschool again.

Often children that home Ed are in some ways more youthful. They have more time to play and explore and less pressures to conform to peers. Less fear of being bullied for liking younger activities
I see this as a positive

Elleherd · 28/09/2025 16:21

Orwelly · 28/09/2025 13:44

Do you home educate? That is the polar opposite of our lives.

We've home educated for 18 years, 2 DC doing A Levels in college, one doing GCSE's next year, one coming through the system.

That's completely normal for our wing of HE. Literally every family I know uses tutors - online or face to face. It is 100% the norm. There are countless learning opportunities that people access, FB groups for supporting exams, tutor groups, curriculum-linked field trips, the whole lot. Since COVID, more tutoring gateways for HE have sprung up than I can count.

The only people that might attract SOME judgement from SOME HEers are the ones who are completely autonomous and don't encourage any formal learning or exams at all. It's the complete opposite of what you say.

Suggesting that home educators are 'judged' for using tutors is simply untrue. I'm sure it exists in some knots of hardcore anti schoolers, but it NOT the norm.

Definitely not true in the leafy middle class and affluent area I’m in. Nor true in surrounding areas I’ve met home ed families from that are more mixed demographic wise

Ah, the old 'I know everyone and everyone says and thinks the same as me.'

The reality - the factual stuff - is that since HE numbers have grown exponentially, the market to provide education independently has grown as well. And nearly everyone uses at least some part of it.

They’re racing to the bottom

Demonstrably untrue.

Very well put. We've never used actual tutors because they're a resource that' was too expensive for us to access if we wanted to do other expensive things too.
We also started before they where commonplace so developed how to suceed without, found most of it fun and just carried on s we are...

But, we're in resource full London, are mobile, able to hit Europe, and on the internet, so all mine have used conversations with all sorts of useful people online and real life ranging from bored academics to scientists at CERN to further maths nerds to discuss concepts with. They all do a lot of arts, music and theater, and or sports, and bands, theater, dance groups, and teams feature a fair bit, so meet loads of others from lots of different educational situations and walks of life.

Because we get out and about, they have a large social group which never happened with older ones at school as either too tired, homework swamped, declared an uncool nerd, or or to worried about school politics and who was or wasn't cool to be associated with. None of those issues with most of the home ed crowd. One very MC teen stoner was a mild concern, but it became clear early that my lot where unimpressed with them doing little. They still try and drag them out, but sadly are rarely successful.

Secondary level also do FutureLearn uni courses for things that interest them and quite often once one HE kid gets into something, others will join up and they then do projects together as a result. of mutual interest.
We've also hosted home edders from other countries, which is great for languages.
We also make full use of the Royal Society’s annual cutting-edge science fair and make contacts with university researchers from universities and science institutions there and at similar events, as well as Royal society of Arts,
Clore galleries, and the education spaces of so many institutions and museums for free up and down the country. People who love their subject and believe in education are always happy to talk to genuinely interested kids and share resources.

Most of the more MC home edders we know use tutors at some points, especially around exams, many go to college for A levels, but that's because they have different lifestyles and other things they value, to us, and that works better for them. But all the kids mix happily enough and lift skills and ideas from each other, and as they get older often find different routes have brought them to the same uni's or professions.

No one here is into Facebook or Tik Tok so we know little of the lifestyle blogger lot or the not really interested but in grief with the school system parents.
We do come across lots of back footed as we where, often SEN/bullied, and more recently extreme anxiety, and try and point them towards what might work for them.

We've met the occasional rabid judgemental anti something/everything home educator, but far more that use schools and can't accept others who don't, especially at swimming and during their school holidays.

Most home edders we meet keep most judgement of others to themselves.
But when we first started TBH I was a little gobsmacked and disbelieving of the 'unschooling' folk. But they and we made initially cautious friendships, and over the years having seen it's outcomes, I'll just say it's not something I'd dare do, or feel secure doing, but if done well it's clearly a valid choice.

The thing most of us have in common is for one reason or another, not being able to get what our children and families need or want from the state education system, and not in the private school league either. Far from 'a race to the bottom' IME it's mainly parents who want more for their children, making it happen.

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