Reports that NATO are now in Ukraine

And who is "us" - does your group have a name?

Are you saying that the video did not exist and I made that up?

I literally just put in what I suggested and a lot of videos came up some of which being as i described with writing looking like sanskrit. So have another look, scroll down.

But why? Why is the source so relevant for you? Why?

It looked like the writing was sanskrit (not sure how that is spelt) or similar. It wasn't cyrillic. But beyond that I don't know where it was from, I didn't look.
If you can explain why it is so important, I might try to have a look. At the moment it just sounds as though you are wanting to have a pop. If you have a genuine reason, and share it here or by PM, I will have a look for you.

Can you justify your claims that Joyce is at all relevant to this thread? That was a bit off, that suggestion, wasn't it?

I challenge you to do as I suggested. You will then see more than one video.

I didn't say "all over" asian media. As for "stop typing and start thinking" well, I rather think you should take your own advice and would add in "start reading and stop making things up to cause trouble" too.

another thing @DdraigGoch - i get the feeling you didn't read the entire opning post, is that right?

Ah I see, I read this after posting - you are saying that me saying that asian media was saying that nato was in odessa is me spreading propaganda?

I told you to google "nato in odessa" and click on videos and that you would then find (or this was the case yesterday) a lot of videos talking about nato being in odessa.

Do you think that this was me spreading propaganda? Is that what you are saying? And you are comparing me to Joyce? What is the link? Joyce spoke to the Uk through the 2nd ww from Germany (I think he was a German citizen but of Irish heritage - he had lived in Germany since he was 17 but had come ot the UK to be part of a nazi group in the UK or Ireland or somesuch?) and according to the government he gave information to discourage the UK and to encourage Germany through the war. Are you saying that me posting this is me doing the same thing? Because I really don't see the link.

I was questioning why NATO would be involved in the Moldova election, and I was questioning why they would be in odessa (if they were) if Russia had said they would see it as a provocation.

So nothing similar to Joyce whatsoever.

If I found the link and posted it, would you still say I was spreading propaganda?
And if so, what is the point of me finding the link? It is clear that asian and other media were reporting it. So you are saying their info is propaganda? And me questioning it is me spreading propaganda?

I think you and your group are getting very mixed up about what is going on.

I will respond a couple more times but feel this thread is going nowhere (I am getting a lot of thumbs up but they aren't posting) so will soon give up on it.

You are just trying to pick a fight. I said I hadn't saved the links. I said that the link wasn't relevant as it was all over asian media and you could take your pick and the point was - did anyone know if it was true. So why are you trying to pick a fight?!

I didn't make a claim though. I said "I have seen this on asian media - is this right?"

William Joyce is nothing to do with the point I was making. MPs and establishment people spoke out against incorrect information being given to the public during war time and none were hung for it.

can you evidence that?

I will ignore your very rude and patronising "I think you need to look a little further" and try to respond to you politely. On youtube you will all the mainstream news you appear to trust, including Times, FT, CNN. You will also find other credible news outlets ie which have the same ranking in terms of credibility as the UK and US ones you are familiar with. You will find, basically, both good and credible sources and total nonsense. Just because something is on youtube does not mean it is either a good or bad source. If you are reasonably well educated and astute you will be able to decide (rather than just be told) what is good information, what is likely to be true or could possibly be true or what is worthy of further investigation.

Be aware that during wartime historically (and yes, there are very good sources for this) mainstream press became extremely biased and sometimes spread false information "for the greater good" because they were told to do so. We are effectively in an era when news is being controlled, I guess you could say that we are on the precipice of war if we are not yet in it. You will no doubt be aware that France, for example, has asked its hospitals to be ready for a postentially wartime situation for as early as March 2026.

Also the general consensus is that the likes of the BBC is that they are not as reliable as they once were and that the likes of CNN are biased This is a view widely held, and whether that is true or not, history will tell.

And to respond to your comment that if NATO were there, mainstream would be reporting - no, you are wrong, there is no possibility that western mainstream would be reporting on it unless they had the green light to do so.

Is that the only thing you were worried about in relation to my post?

I just googled "nato is in odessa" and then clicked "videos" and a long list of recent videos came up, many of them asian.