To think it's a bit harsh to say people who've never worked shouldn't get benefits?

So if a young mums parents refuse to help her you think she and her child should starve?

But it's ok for an older woman to get help because she's worked in the past even though 99% of young mums will get a job when their child's a little older

If you know someone has undeclared savings and property and it's winding you up then report them.

It's amazing that people know the full in s and outs of other people's finances even if they are "friends".

I very much doubt a single mother on benefits is able to afford this lifestyle with a second home and brand new luxury car. Even if she claimed a record breaking amount, she would be restricted in her savings and have no access to credit.

I very much doubt a single mother on benefits is able to afford this lifestyle with a second home and brand new luxury car. Even if she claimed a record breaking amount, she would be restricted in her savings and have no access to credit.

I had 3 children aged, 5, 6 & 6 when I left my marriage. I knew I was leaving my marriage so organised an evening job and my family looked after my children.

I had 3 jobs at one point and up until last year I was working 2 jobs.

I have a friend who has 5 kids, why? Because the government pay her to be able to do that. She gets her micky money every week, gets her rent paid which is 2200 every month, gets help with uniforms a medical card, she can return to education all paid for by the government. She is on the waiting list for a 4 bedroom council house which she will receive brand new.

Not bad for someone who has never worked a day in her life.

She has a 22 year old daughter who has a child and the cycle is repeating itself. She drives a brand new top of the range mercedes and is just back from Disney. I couldn't afford to bring my 3 to the cinema some weeks.

My friend has a property in Spain.

Sickening.

It only took one page for this thread to bring out the eugenics supporters. Mumsnet sinks lower and lower every day.

On balance, I probably would suggest it's not the smartest choice. Disabilities do tend to accumulate.

I had 3 children aged, 5, 6 & 6 when I left my marriage. I knew I was leaving my marriage so organised an evening job and my family looked after my children.

I had 3 jobs at one point and up until last year I was working 2 jobs.

I have a friend who has 5 kids, why? Because the government pay her to be able to do that. She gets her micky money every week, gets her rent paid which is 2200 every month, gets help with uniforms a medical card, she can return to education all paid for by the government. She is on the waiting list for a 4 bedroom council house which she will receive brand new.

Not bad for someone who has never worked a day in her life.

She has a 22 year old daughter who has a child and the cycle is repeating itself. She drives a brand new top of the range mercedes and is just back from Disney. I couldn't afford to bring my 3 to the cinema some weeks.

My friend has a property in Spain.

Sickening.

What about people that would love to work, but no employers will employ them?

Could you reframe it that employers should be forced to employ anyone that wants to work?

Being forced to work is a lovely (😬) idea, but you have to take that theory to its conclusion.

Then that should be quite the incentive to avoid getting pregnant. Contraception is free in this country.
Paying for people to make bad life choices is completely irrational.

That's great for people who develop health issues after a period of well paid work but not good for people who were never able to achieve well paid work because of an illness or disability.

That's great for people who develop health issues after a period of well paid work but not good for people who were never able to achieve well paid work because of an illness or disability.

Other countries have systems for this. Look at Spain. There is a very scant benefits system, but enough to prevent someone being genuinely unable to eat. Until 2020 it was exclusively a pay in system: 1 month of unemployment benefit is earned by 6 months of work and is calculated at a rate of 70% of your last wage. Also the maximum you can accrue is 2 years worth and then once back in work you start accruing again. During COVID a new benefit was added which is Minimum income, but is very low, such as 600€ which is meant to cover everything including rent/ mortgage. Choosing a lifestyle of living on benefits is not possible.

No one is saying people will be physically forced to work, just that they will no longer be in receipt of financial benefits.

Who knows when this will happen next year when the IMF are called in, or a few years away when a Reform take charge. Take note, foresight is good as there will be no excuse for those who haven't prepared.

Well..if every new mum went on benefits for five years ...!! why do some mums have to leave their babies in childcare for full working days to enable others to sit on their arses and play "always there mummy"? It's just not fair is it? If they have their own funds or a partner that supports that lifestyle , that's not a problem as they/their partner are funding that lifestyle choice and are not expecting the hard-working people around them to go to work in all weathers to fund the benefit mummy. It's parasitic. Going on benefits just because you have a child is not acceptable. If you are not able to fund your own child then don't have children until you are at that point where you can.

I'm not privvy to her health problems to be honest, but I don't think there's an underlying reason why. But I've managed to work for years after I had a head injury and post concussion syndrome, so I think it's possible to work after a disability or health problem.

So basically saying, that you have no real clue, but will just decide whatever about this person, and their abilities to work, or not. Just because you could work with whatever injury you had, that does not equate to anybody else!

Well..if every new mum went on benefits for five years ...!! why do some mums have to leave their babies in childcare for full working days to enable others to sit on their arses and play "always there mummy"? It's just not fair is it? If they have their own funds or a partner that supports that lifestyle , that's not a problem as they/their partner are funding that lifestyle choice and are not expecting the hard-working people around them to go to work in all weathers to fund the benefit mummy. It's parasitic. Going on benefits just because you have a child is not acceptable. If you are not able to fund your own child then don't have children until you are at that point where you can.

Plus I like to try and have a bit of tenacity, get on with trying to keep going. I like to set an example to my children that I kept going in spite of a horrible head injury and neurological involuntary movement disorder caused by some prescribed medication. I didnt just decide to give up and say I don't think I'm capable of working.

I did try to claim PIP at one point, but wasn't approved. So I guess I had to obviously keep working.