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AIBU to think that Digital ID will not stop illegal immigration, and nor is it a good idea?

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Westfacing · 25/09/2025 16:08

How will this prevent boat crossings?

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Cheetolady · 27/09/2025 18:10

Every other country has one, what’s the issue?

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 16:33

sleepwouldbenice · 27/09/2025 15:48

This

Starmer is selling it in as stopping illegal migration. Since it won’t work why do it?

FLOWER19833 · 27/09/2025 16:14

DervlaGlass · 25/09/2025 16:44

Where I live there's a visible problem with illegal deliveroo workers (certainly hundreds, probably thousands of them) and a huge shanty village site in a central location that border force and the police don't want to touch despite fire setting and pollution problems.

There's no question about their status. The IDs would change nothing. It's just going to make life a bit more miserable for everyone. If a Prime Minister really wanted to stop what they describe as the problem they'd legislate (primary legislation so it can't be judicially reviewed away) to require deportation prior to accessing immigration tribunals, remove legal aid and possibly put a legal duty on the police and local authorities to act. But they won't because they don't actually want to do anything that might be effective because they're against doing so but don't have the courage to say so and want to pander to the people for whom it's a priority.

Tldr ofc they won't work.

Exactly where i live they are about 20 deliveroo drivers on the pavement ,5 barber shops and god knows hiw many nail places very close to each other. Not sure what is stopping the undercover police or home office checking this. Everyone knows they aren't legal, but nobody really cares .

earphoneson · 27/09/2025 15:55

ID cards are just like a driving licence minus the driving entitlement) - citizens behaviour won’t be tracked and it won’t be linked to your bank 🙄
The main idea in general is to be able to easily prove who you’re and prevent identity fraud. It’s unbelievable the country managed with no national id card up to now. It makes life so much easier for everybody.

People worrying about it is baffling to me. Are you also worried when getting a passport, or a driving licence, or registering your baby’s birth?

sleepwouldbenice · 27/09/2025 15:54

Westfacing · 27/09/2025 08:28

For me it's not about rights being undermined - it's about the pretence that this will stop illegal immigration, as that's what this PR stunt is trying to convince us.

Has ID in any way helped your country control migration?

It's just another layer of bureaucracy that won't improve our lives in any way.

Its one tool that will help stop illegal migration
Fixed that for you

sleepwouldbenice · 27/09/2025 15:52

Elizabethandfour · 25/09/2025 16:45

It’s a very, very bad idea. Do you know the other country where you need to show id to live? Communist China.

The government are facilitating illegal immigration to bring in Digital ID. The people who hire illegals will not check their digital ID.

Sorry Elizabeth, no meat for you this week as you used your car last week. Sorry Marcus, no bottle of wine for you, you bought one two days ago. It’s a slave system that will start off innocuously until the frog is boiled and our children are living in a digital prison.

On the flip side, for that idea of rational, balanced thought...
Uk is one of only 2 countries in Europe without ID cards...

sleepwouldbenice · 27/09/2025 15:48

BallerinaRadio · 25/09/2025 16:14

There's more to life than boat crossings fyi

This

Valeriekat · 27/09/2025 15:42

mamagogo1 · 25/09/2025 16:31

Don’t think it will help that much with illegal immigration however I’d love an id card I can use for everything including European travel, if my drivers licence can be loaded onto it too and you can store it all on your phone, I’m most happy with that. I have nothing to hide

And when they start checking if you were the first to stop clapping for the beloved leader?

kinkytoes · 27/09/2025 14:31

This govt is so incompetent anyway I really can't see them pulling this off successfully, even if they do decide to go ahead.

kinkytoes · 27/09/2025 14:28

YelloDaisy · 26/09/2025 18:51

I must live in some parallel universe to most mn users.

i use google maps when driving ( ells you if roadworks ahead) so google knows where i am. I log in to ebay or amazon or fb and they check my id, send a txt code to my phone number, so obviously know where i am. Many people have Alexa who listens in. I use chrome on my laptop so it knows a lot about me. The bank sends me txt confirmations-already knows my name and address.

yet somehow a digital id is some scary big brother spy risk -are you joking -the American tech cos know all about everybody. Get real.

You can't see how tech companies are different from your actual government?

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 13:34

scalt · 27/09/2025 07:11

2020 is the reason I am very strongly opposed to digital ID. In an attempt to appear to be "beating the virus", the government brought in one absurd rule after another: rule of 6, no travelling between tiers, no buying non-essential stuff, no exercise for more than an hour (not an official rule, but everyone believed it), we might have to kill your cats, etc.

Most of this was unenforceable: the government knew it, and the public knew it. The system relied on people being sufficiently frightened to obey: and boy, did the government frighten the public. (That's an important difference between our government and others: people hold other countries up as a beacon of how we should have done it: stricter lockdowns, nothing open at all, fewer deaths, but none of those other countries frightened and infantilised their citizens as much as our government did.)

In the latter half, when we had the hugely expensive test-and-trace app, and the requirement to "check in" everywhere you went: as far as I am concerned, this was the dress rehearsal for a future digital ID, and has already made headway in softening us up for it. Nobody is saying anything about it now, because politicians are trying to pretend lockdown didn't really happen, and attention is being cunningly deflected towards "those immigrants stealing your work, doctors appointments, houses etc", but I do foresee that digital ID could be used to enforce things like lockdowns: not necessarily for a pandemic, but for a totally different cause, such as "we need to show we're doing something about climate change: quick, press the button so that people can no longer travel more than a mile to go shopping". By then, we'd be in the habit of "checking in" everywhere we go: shops, workplaces, and maybe even friends' houses, without even thinking about it, because we'd been nudged to accept it. Note the similarity with the ways lockdowns and digital IDs are being sold to us: to protect us from an external threat: the virus, and immigrants respectively. I do foresee our movement being restricted by our digital IDs to "protect" us from climate change: the seeds of fear of this have been sown for a long time. (Maybe climate change is a reality, but it's highly typical that the government would tinker round the edges to appear to be tackling it, like preventing people travelling for shopping, instead of the world targeting far more polluting causes.) And again, 15-minute cities is probably the warm-up for much bigger restrictions later. By then, the idea that digital ID was supposed to prevent "immigrants and small boats" would long be forgotten - perhaps from not preventing them.

Call me unrealistic, call me a tinfoil hatter, call me a conspiracy theorist, but I do foresee this kind of thing happening sooner than we think, and digital ID would be the first step towards making this a reality. Lots of people (including politicians) thought we could never have a lockdown: that's something other countries did. Then we did, and as the absurdity of benches being taped up to not being able to visit our dying relatives sunk in while Boris partied, we wondered "how did we get here?". This is why we must RESIST. An incidentally, lots of people probably thought Trump was bluffing when he talked about tariffs, and they would never happen. Those who voted for him are now seeing that he wasn't bluffing.

Yes, we do already have many systems which could be considered "oppressive to law-abiding people": widespread CCTV, and probably a lot of anti-terrorism legislation which theoretically allows people to be detained for a long time if the police "suspect" that they are a terrorist, with little or no evidence: it's just that we've moved on to a different scary buzzword, "immigration". Lockdown was enforced under the Public Health Act, rather than any new legislation, so the possibility was always there: it needed the public to be frightened enough to accept it. And yes, these systems could be utilised by a malevolent dictator Nigel Farage, on a whim. But what we don't want to do is to make it even easier for the government to oppress ordinary people, in the name of protecting us from some external "threat". This is why I think we need to be exceptionally careful about handing the government oppressive tools on a plate.

Yep

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 13:33

Yanbu it won’t do what Starmer proposes. A digital ID scheme is more effective on citizen behaviour.

YelloDaisy · 27/09/2025 13:08

RedRiverShore5 · 27/09/2025 06:05

How are they going to verify the IDs of those that haven't got passports, not everyone will know someone of good standing in the community or a business owner for two years

National insurance no, nhs number

Westfacing · 27/09/2025 08:28

Lullabycrickets23 · 26/09/2025 19:37

Where I originally come from, we always had Id cards. Now electronic ones. None of us feels our rights are undermined, why would they?

For me it's not about rights being undermined - it's about the pretence that this will stop illegal immigration, as that's what this PR stunt is trying to convince us.

Has ID in any way helped your country control migration?

It's just another layer of bureaucracy that won't improve our lives in any way.

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rickyrickygrimes · 27/09/2025 08:13

So in France it’s not so much having an ID card that is the issue. The important thing is that your situation in France is ‘regular’ I.e. you meet whatever conditions have been put in place by the French state to be allowed to live / work / reside in France. I’m an immigrant to France, and I don’t have an ID card as only French nationals have these. But my situation is ‘regular’ and I can prove this.

Pre Brexit my British passport proved my right to be in France. Post Brexit I had to apply for a residence card / carte de séjour, which is now my proof of being allowed to enter France and start there.

For work I had to provide a copy of my passport and my carte de séjour before starting. If my employer was contrôlled ie inspected by the govt, and they couldn’t show that they had the correct documents for me, they would be in big trouble. Labour laws are taken very seriously here, unlike in the UK, which is very ‘light touch’ in terms of regulation.

Healthcare - it’s a different card, the carte vitale. It’s combined with my social security number as welfare benefits and healthcare are linked here. To get a carte vitale - again I needed to prove that my presence here is ‘regular’ ie legal. I had to provide birth certificate, marriage certificates (DH was working, I wasn’t), children’s birth certificates to include them, plus all DHs proof of work ie contract, payslips, letter from his employer - plus of course passports as ID. You can access healthcare without a carte vitale, but you won’t receive the government reimbursement. It’s needed everywhere - dr, specialist, hospitals for emergencies and routine ops, at the pharmacy for medication - everywhere. There are special cartes vitales for refugees. So everyone gets care - but to be ‘in the system’ you need to be able to prove that you are legally allowed to be.

kinkytoes · 27/09/2025 07:26

IdaGlossop · 25/09/2025 16:31

Some will but the government is getting tougher on malpractice and fines are substantial.

Really? Why are there so many empty kebab shops and barber shops and they keep on growing in number? Sitting ducks for an investigation but the government don't do jack.

scalt · 27/09/2025 07:20

I will add that it's a good thing we are talking about this. This is an important difference from 2020, when we weren't allowed to talk about government oppression: anybody who tried to point out the harms of lockdowns was instantly shouted down with SHUT UP, YOU GRANNY KILLER, DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT PEOPLE DYING?, and silenced and de-platformed online. Although we're seeing some of the same insults, such as "conspiracy theorist" and "tinfoil hatter", those people are (for the moment) actually able to have their say, which they weren't in 2020.

scalt · 27/09/2025 07:11

2020 is the reason I am very strongly opposed to digital ID. In an attempt to appear to be "beating the virus", the government brought in one absurd rule after another: rule of 6, no travelling between tiers, no buying non-essential stuff, no exercise for more than an hour (not an official rule, but everyone believed it), we might have to kill your cats, etc.

Most of this was unenforceable: the government knew it, and the public knew it. The system relied on people being sufficiently frightened to obey: and boy, did the government frighten the public. (That's an important difference between our government and others: people hold other countries up as a beacon of how we should have done it: stricter lockdowns, nothing open at all, fewer deaths, but none of those other countries frightened and infantilised their citizens as much as our government did.)

In the latter half, when we had the hugely expensive test-and-trace app, and the requirement to "check in" everywhere you went: as far as I am concerned, this was the dress rehearsal for a future digital ID, and has already made headway in softening us up for it. Nobody is saying anything about it now, because politicians are trying to pretend lockdown didn't really happen, and attention is being cunningly deflected towards "those immigrants stealing your work, doctors appointments, houses etc", but I do foresee that digital ID could be used to enforce things like lockdowns: not necessarily for a pandemic, but for a totally different cause, such as "we need to show we're doing something about climate change: quick, press the button so that people can no longer travel more than a mile to go shopping". By then, we'd be in the habit of "checking in" everywhere we go: shops, workplaces, and maybe even friends' houses, without even thinking about it, because we'd been nudged to accept it. Note the similarity with the ways lockdowns and digital IDs are being sold to us: to protect us from an external threat: the virus, and immigrants respectively. I do foresee our movement being restricted by our digital IDs to "protect" us from climate change: the seeds of fear of this have been sown for a long time. (Maybe climate change is a reality, but it's highly typical that the government would tinker round the edges to appear to be tackling it, like preventing people travelling for shopping, instead of the world targeting far more polluting causes.) And again, 15-minute cities is probably the warm-up for much bigger restrictions later. By then, the idea that digital ID was supposed to prevent "immigrants and small boats" would long be forgotten - perhaps from not preventing them.

Call me unrealistic, call me a tinfoil hatter, call me a conspiracy theorist, but I do foresee this kind of thing happening sooner than we think, and digital ID would be the first step towards making this a reality. Lots of people (including politicians) thought we could never have a lockdown: that's something other countries did. Then we did, and as the absurdity of benches being taped up to not being able to visit our dying relatives sunk in while Boris partied, we wondered "how did we get here?". This is why we must RESIST. An incidentally, lots of people probably thought Trump was bluffing when he talked about tariffs, and they would never happen. Those who voted for him are now seeing that he wasn't bluffing.

Yes, we do already have many systems which could be considered "oppressive to law-abiding people": widespread CCTV, and probably a lot of anti-terrorism legislation which theoretically allows people to be detained for a long time if the police "suspect" that they are a terrorist, with little or no evidence: it's just that we've moved on to a different scary buzzword, "immigration". Lockdown was enforced under the Public Health Act, rather than any new legislation, so the possibility was always there: it needed the public to be frightened enough to accept it. And yes, these systems could be utilised by a malevolent dictator Nigel Farage, on a whim. But what we don't want to do is to make it even easier for the government to oppress ordinary people, in the name of protecting us from some external "threat". This is why I think we need to be exceptionally careful about handing the government oppressive tools on a plate.

rickyrickygrimes · 27/09/2025 06:45

childofthe607080s · 25/09/2025 16:29

How does it stop hidden working exactly? If someone is prepared to employ someone illegally sure they wil carry on?

Good question. It’s not digital or any type of ID that stops French employers employing illegal workers. It the frequent inspections from the minister du travail, it’s the huge fines if they are caught, it’s the heavy paper trail associated with working, it’s the lack of short term / casual work culture, it’s the influence of powerful unions opposed to the casualisation of work. But mostly it’s down to effective enforcement of labour laws. The UK is very ‘light touch’ by comparison, there is a much higher cultural acceptance of casual work. French employers are far more wary, as they would be breaking far more laws and facing much stronger enforcement.

So yes, the ID card won’t change this.

GarlicPint · 27/09/2025 06:28

Cheersmedears123 · 25/09/2025 16:41

I’m not keen and I don’t see how it would make any difference. If someone is employing people illegally then they will just continue to do so, surely?

Haven't rtft, I'm afraid.

The cops could pop into a local nail bar, barber shop, etc, and ask to see the employees' ID. They could scan it straight away and see if it's legit.

There is currently no facility for them to do anything remotely similar with an NI number.

RubySquid · 27/09/2025 06:09

PrivacyDystopia · 26/09/2025 19:45

Well you probably can’t speak for everyone in every country that has ID cards tbf. And no you likely don’t see a problem, until you have a problem. That’s how mass surveillance works, if they brought it all in overnight, people would be appalled and be up in arms about it. What they do instead is gradually increase surveillance over a period of time, making every small step palatable by framing it “making you safer”, “protecting the children” and “beating crime” etc, and its drip drip drip, until one day you look up and realise you are deep in the plot of 1984 or some other dystopian nightmare. You have to resist from the start, by the time you have a problem, it’s way too late.

But already there's cctv on every corner watching us and you need id for many things

RubySquid · 27/09/2025 06:07

BettysRoasties · 25/09/2025 16:15

It would helpfully help weed out more of the underground workers who don’t have the right to work. Things that make stuff like that harder do tend to deter at least some.

Many places have some type of ID system.

I don’t have a big issue with it but maybe I’m just not tin foil hat enough.

I have no issues at all tbh In fact id be quite happy to be " chipped". so can scan arm scanned rather than keep hunting for documentation

RedRiverShore5 · 27/09/2025 06:05

How are they going to verify the IDs of those that haven't got passports, not everyone will know someone of good standing in the community or a business owner for two years

YelloDaisy · 27/09/2025 05:54

Well everything is already a huge hacking target - nurseries ( as in the news at the moment), banks, HMRC, NHS, every major corporation (M&S, the coop), schools - that is a poor reason.

Anything that removes randoms from our streets has to be good or better than nothing

Plumedenom · 27/09/2025 05:54

Notice how Starmer is "set to announce". That means he hasn't announced it yet. Because he wants to see how many people will stop voting for him if he does it. Well Starmer, if you're reading, you've already just proved to me that you're not someone I want to vote for.
Anyway I read somewhere that ID cards are always introduced in a time of moral panic, with limited success at resolving the source of the moral panic. And this case is no exception.
No coincidence that they are mainly introduced in fascist regimes.