Migrants get up to £2000 on bankcard after prison sentences

I absolutely agree with everything you say op.

The UK is a laughing stock and my own country is the same, it doesn't even look like it used to.

I left the UK 21 years ago, I went back last year and I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

Pre-Brexit, we could send people that arrived by boat back to the EU country they first landed in.

Then we voted to remove ourselves from the mechanic that allowed this.

So now we can't just 'send them back to France' if they arrived here by boat.

We do have a system that asks people to prove a minimum income to qualify for a Visa. It's not as high as other countries, because we need low-skilled migrant workers. If we 'closed the borders', our economy would fully tank. We have an ageing population and a declining birth rate, and immigration plugs the gap. Kill the old folk and ban contraception, and you have your easy solution.

I really, really REALLY wish people would engage their brains in the decisions that we made as a sovereign nation that led to the situation we are in. There isn't an easy answer, and if the OP is frustrated, it's because she would rather believe the lie that there is.

It 15% Muslims in London and growing at a rapid rate and spreading to other cities. I love a curry but I don’t particularly want to live in Pakistan. Crack on with this mentality you’ll soon see where it ends up and it won’t be your left leaning values being protected. You do realise it’s grown very quickly in a short time and will continue?

The Netherlands has an excellent insurance based health system.... that is also being complained about a lot right now. The main burden on all health care systems is the aging population. Thats a general problem regardless of the health care model..the NHS, despite everything, is still more efficient than a lot of other systems when you look at the money spent.
In the shorter term Trump has been pressurising drugs companies to raise their prices because it's not fair they charge less overseas than they do Americans. (You would think people would rather he addressed this unfairness by forcing drugs companies to lower prices in the US but it's crab in a bucket politics). Actually the same magical thinking gets applied to debates about migrant hotels so I don't want to criticise the Americans too much. But either way, drugs prices are likely to go up which may further raise health care costs in the UK and other countries. But it's not migrants or benefits scroungers doing that.

You really think people are deliberately committing crimes, spending a year plus in jail then waiting for the convoluted deportation process to end, all for £2,000? They could get more on job seeker’s allowance - legally! Or in a cash in hand job!

This.

We need to look at other countries and what they do, so you have to apply for residency at a cost, proof of income health insurance, still might not get residency, then provide proof you can financially support yourself and family and private health insurance, bingo your in,

So easy but for uk, rack up lads hotel waiting with a phone some money each day, 3 meals, free transport, free taxi to dr/ hospital appointments oh you don't need to wait on nhs waiting list, that's only for us sheep uk residence,
Oh and we will pay you to go back but only if you want to !!

We are a laughing stock,

Imagine any other country doing this, it does happen,

My friend stayed one day over in Europe one day, got 5 year ban into Europe along with £5,000 fine, yes that's right she overstayed so yes,

My point is it can be done, its done every where else but uk, why!!! There's an agenda here in uk, what that is only government really know, but its not good for uk,

I do totally see op frustration,

Just close the broaders, and anyone here without residency or can prove financial stability goes back, no nice hotels, free handouts, if they came from France send them back via boat, that's it ,

Tax money should be providing for uk, what ever thst may be, health, education, elderly, homeless,

Seems like a trend on here at the moment...

Poster comes in with some anti-immigrant sentiment. States they are not a reform voter or right wing and then spouts of all their sound bites. Insults those who disagree calling them "silly", not living in the real world etc.

Provides very little detail on where their information comes from, gives sketchy information which they can't or don't want to back up.

Call me cynical but....

It’s all relative, isn’t it?
There are people in Liverpool doing drug runs for five grand that would get them the death penalty if caught. Very much depends what that five grand means to you.

Australia has around 4 million over 65s compared to 13 million in the uk, despite us only having around double the overall population.
The US has a more comparable percentage of health issues and elderly.

???? Much of the cost is for agents to roam the streets rounding people up. That's the deterrent. Manual extraction.

If you stop paying for the extractions, the deterrent is gone.

He's prosecuting more immigrants for more minor crimes. That costs money. Stop spending that money, and the deterrent is gone.

It's not an investment in future border security. It's an ongoing cost, and it's phenomenal. It wouldn't get your fictional 4-year old with sepsis treated any faster. It would bankrupt us, and as soon as the funds dried up, the arrivals would return.

https://www.coe.int/en/web/impact-convention-human-rights/united-kingdom

The ECHR provides additional checks and balances for everyone, not just the left and not just migrants.
Eg the police keeping DNA records of innocent people on file for years. This was legal under UK law but they were forced to destroy those records by the ECHR. As things currently stand, the ECHR forms an additional part of the checks and balances that we have as a country. (Obviously our own internal ecosystem of rights/balances etc is the most significant). Some of the decisions made by the ECHR work for me, others dont. The same with Jury trials and UK court decisions.

Imagine a Farage led government leaves the ECHR and then after him a far left government is elected. And that left government bans Christians from wearing crosses in public because it intimidaties other faiths. Or any other persecution you imagine "the left" might enact. You have less recourse to challenge them than before.

When you chip away rights you chip away at them for yourself as well as for people you don't like.

It’s the Home Office, not The Sopranos.

No fraudster worth his salt is doing crime for £100 per month pro rata 🤣

Tories and Labour are both equally useless and have failed to address the issue. 72% of the voting public believes immigration to be too high. So why castigate people when there’s no other option? They might not even particularly like Reform, but they’re the only party that hasn’t been charged with tackling large scale immigration and failed at it.

Ah the irony...

Many people FEEL this one because people like the OP like to ruffle feathers. Self-fulfilling

Exactly. £2k bribe to go quietly is cheaper than the cost of someone fighting it.

But Romanians weren’t illegal immigrants, when we were in the EU, they were able to enter and live here legally.

Now we’ve left the EU they can still enter with an ETA.

I do think the governments, whether Labour or Con, seriously underestimated the number of EU migrants that would come to the UK.

No one here has said they want open borders. You keep saying we have open borders when we clearly don’t.

It’s literally a protection racket
Give us money otherwise we’ll murder your citizens and when we do murder your citizens, you’ll have to give us more money so that you don’t have to give us more money 😳

We have the joys of Andy Burnham to look forward to, is he going to call in the Navy? Start deporting en masse? Get a grip on immigration and the economy?……

Didn’t Nigel say that he would give the Taliban money to take back migrants.

This is very much like the advice I was given if I wanted tenants to leave my property give them a month rent in advance and their deposit to get out of your house that they haven’t paid any rent on for 12 months
25 years ago I would’ve gone round there with a baseball bat changed the locks and put all the stuff on the lawn but now I have to pay them to not pay me any more 🙄

The six year old eating only chicken nuggets is hardly an argument.

I saw the report last night and the government is looking into the taxi fares, which I agree appear to be excessive. I’m not disagreeing with you on Starmer (who I think will be gone before long) but Labour inherited a difficult situation which you can’t sort out overnight.

Except I didn’t say we should have literally zero immigration, did I?

And you made the point yourself- if this country relies on immigration, that’s not a societal good. It shouldn’t be necessary and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed.

None!! Which is exactly why they are all coming here. Absolute mugs that we are.

If you're considering voting for Reform, then I do not believe that your politics are "in the centre". It is inconceivable that someone with genuinely centrist views would even consider voting for a far right party, and a few random comments couldn't possibly push you in that direction. So I would politely suggest that your views are not quite as close to the centre as you might like to think.

Those who choose to vote for Reform will need to own their choices. "They made me do it" is no defence.