Migrants get up to £2000 on bankcard after prison sentences

Where did I say ‘no one’ would trade with us? Please do quote it.

Nope, you claimed that if we weren't in the Echr we'd lose our basic rights and no one would trade worth us. I pointed out some countries not in the echr who do have those rights and do get to trade with other countries. What's geography got to do with it?

The clue is in the word ‘European’. Those countries you listed aren’t in Europe.

I haven’t seen the report, but I’m not surprised. The video about The Copthorne in Sussex being a ‘luxurious’ migrant hotel was fake news, it was at best a 3 star in its hey day and is likely run down now.

Exactly. @nomaswhy would you reach that conclusion?

The US has 5 times the population of the UK so not at all.

What bollocks, most countries in the world aren't in the ECHR including US, Australia, Japan etc. They still have all those rights. Why would they refuse to trade with us? Nonsense.

Did anyone see the report last night about the individuals who are making an estimated £10k a month creating content related to migrants? Breaking into hotels including peoples bedrooms and so on? And when there's no material creating their own by harassing and terrifying black British children in lieu of actual immigrants? Its not just politicians with an interest in using manipulation and misinformation around this issue. Some grifters are getting very rich indeed from fueling the outrage of the gullible.

Didn’t take you look to drop in clichés.

Write to Rotherham IDVA Service.

Tell them you find it abhorrent that they go to extra lengths to support the victims of Muslim perpetrators.

Throw in a few accusations of racism too.

I’m sure they’ll enjoy that.

If you genuinely do support Muslim women, then good for you for being an ally, but you did post the usual anti-Muslim rhetoric and then couldn’t provide any evidence when challenged. Here is what you said:

• I think that poster is pointing out the incompatibilities between Islamic countries’ culture and British culture.

• I don’t think it’s shocking to say that many aspects of Islamic culture are incredibly misogynistic and a large number of Islamic countries have norms and values which we would not be happy to accept.

• And before we get the, “what about the abuse towards catholic women?”, well, we’re allowed to discuss that openly, aren’t we? There’s no fear of being sacked for expressing concern about them.

• Muslim police officers, social workers, doctors etc shared the information with the perpetrators and the victim was then killed.

😂😂😂😂

Me: “I’m concerned by the misogyny and abuse faced by Muslim women in the UK”

Me: “I think women and children asylum seekers should be prioritised over adult males”

You: “racist”

I didn’t once claim only Muslim women are put on those protective lists.

Where did I say you did?

I really hope you’re not working with Muslim women, or if you do that you don’t let your true feelings show, because I’m not seeing much compassion in your posts.

I didn’t once claim only Muslim women are put on those protective lists.

If you wish to write to my employer, I worked for the IDVA service in Rotherham. You’re more than welcome to.

You’ve made a very serious claim that Muslim women have died as a result of Muslim police officers, social workers, doctors etc sharing information with the perpetrators which leads to the victim being killed.

If this had happened, it would have been news, and I can’t see a single case of where this has happened.

I can’t decide what’s worse, your employers teaching you things without proof, or you believing it blindly because this is how ‘I was being trained, this was the policy and protocol, this was the reason given’.

What professionals? What are you talking about specifically? This is complicated stuff. The treatment of domestic abuse by services is complex (believe me, I know. I am currently living with a family member fleeing domestic violence, with the involvement of all kinds of services), and also requires the input of the abused person, who has a say. If any person — white, asian, black — tells services that they are adhering to cultural traditions they are happy with, and their treatment does not meet the threshold for a crime, then what can the services actually do? Anyone is entitled to raise their underage children according to their own cultural values, and to conduct their family affairs in private to the point that every adult in the household consents. Plenty of women and children live in conditions and family structures I personally could and would not tolerate, but part of a free society is that people are allowed to choose how they live. We can debate all day about how far a cultural norm is a choice, but imo this is just as much the case for a white Christian woman who tolerates her husband's serial infieldility or use of prostitutes as it is for a muslim woman who tolerates covering her face and not associating with men outside the family.

When I was being trained, this was the policy and protocol, this was the reason given.
It didn’t occur to me to demand examples and take notes for @nomas on Mumsnet.
All I can say is to ask someone who works as an IDVA in a place where there is a large Muslim community.
It makes no difference if you believe me or not.
It’s true.

Maybe have a read of this:

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/sam-freedman-demonising-migrants-wont-fill-jobs-or-boost-falling-populations

We need some immigration but the fact is we have millions more than we need or can afford. It’s not demonising to point out the economic reality. Nor the impact on society.

But I don't think anyone is "cheering" and this is the problem - you're trying to present those who hold a different perspective as supporting heinous acts.

We can acknowledge that there are elements of immigration which are problematic whilst also accepting that not all immigration is a problem and has some positives.

Demonising a whole group of people because of the behaviours of a few is a dangerous president to set.

So you have zero proof or examples of Muslim police officers, social workers, doctors etc sharing information with the perpetrators which leads to the victim being killed.

You can’t assume every man in a refugee camp is a criminal.

But I agree, we should be taking more women and children.

Yes. Because of the men

We shouldn’t be accepting thousands of undocumented men into our communities.

It should be thousands of women and children.

You said Muslim police officers, social workers, doctors etc shared the information with the perpetrators and the victim was then killed.

I’m asking for evidence. Why do you think you should be believed without evidence?

Refugee camps aren’t safe because they aren’t proper homes, most are just tents. There is very little police presence and limited food and water.

All of which contribute to tensions and exploitation, including of women and children.

If the UK ever descended into refugee camps, say if Russia bombed us, our camps would be similar unsafe places.