Migrants get up to £2000 on bankcard after prison sentences

You sound defeated my dear.

They are criminals? Any foreign national who breaks the law in the UK should be deported with no money or 'incentives' whether they live here with right to remain or not - that privilege should be taken away as soon as you break the law. I wonder how many other countries would tolerate this.

I can’t be bothered to engage with you. I have given enough detail.

But they are here and many come for a good reason so your point is irrelevant.

I'd rather be a millionaire but I'm not.

The bottom line is that the £2000 is the very least of it, and the overall cost of illegal migration is mind boggling, mind blowing and too much for most people to fully grasp.

It’s not wrong to highlight the smaller amounts - but the overall picture is totally and utterly unsustainable.

Regardless of what the beared left say smoking pot and imagining a border less world where we float from one utopia to another uninterrupted.

Ah, the old ‘I can’t tell you because it’s top secret’ ruse 🤣

There is no evidence in that word salad you posted.

A load of words, not really saying much.

We don’t need a million immigrants a year. Or hundreds of thousands of illegal ones. There are millions on welfare who don’t work that could fill these jobs.

Far left fanatics use this language that our healthcare would not function. That is a choice. Healthcare would function if we trained our own people who currently sit around and burden the taxpayer even more. It’s a choice to bring in people on lower pay than locals would accept. The irony is that locals end up claiming benefits anyway so it costs more to take this approach.

And did you know that low paid migrants also get old. Shock horror. Who is going to look after them? More low paid migrants.

There’s a name for that. Ponzi Scheme. And they always collapse in the end.

Oh great, we’ve now moved onto Muslim bashing 🤣

Rightos have been moaning about the Muslim population for decades but they still only represent 5% of the population, so no, Islam isn’t taking over

And no one is forcing you to eat a curry. If you don’t like curry, get a fish and chips.

If you think we should literally have zero immigration then you're just beyond reasoning with

I said the numbers were small because THIS THREAD is about a small number. I don't know how to have a conversation with someone who can't manage to understand these things

Yes many people feel immigration is the biggest issue. Because they feel xenophobic.

We should have a government that is competent enough to manage the immigration that this country relies on.

I would rather they were not here at all, because we have a competent secure system in our own country.

It must be impossible for you to fathom, but illegal migrants don’t need to be on the backstreets. If they were not allowed to stay in the first place. It’s really not a hard concept to grasp.

I think this is really black and white thinking though - let them all in suggests a free for all with immigration when in reality there's very clear criteria for approved long term immigration status. Asylum seekers are only able to claim an allowance until their application is reviewed (the outdated approach to this process and inefficiency is not their fault nor should it be treated as such) and if they are granted leave to remain then they're here under genuine need at which point the vast majority then go into employment boosting our economy. This also makes up a tiny percentage of overall immigration. Other immigrants are not entitled to any benefits and need to work to supplement their income, again boosting our economy. Or there's international students who pay huge fees to study here supplementing higher education for local students. So really when you actually strip it back what we're talking about is people living here on expired visa's or who have gone off radar after a rejected asylum application who will be tracked down and most likely deported. They will not in the meantime be claiming benefits.

Immigration is central to our healthcare system. We have an ageing population and immigration will be something we rely on in years to come for manual jobs and many care related jobs. I personally have zero issue with immigrants living here who are paying their own way and contributing to taxes. I also have zero issue with my taxes being used to support those in genuine need of asylum which is everyone's human right to seek and I count myself fortunate that I've never been in a position to have to seek it. I would also point out that parts of the UK such as Northern Ireland have high levels of migration historically as a result of the troubles and further back the 'famine' which to my mind isn't a huge difference than anyone else fleeing war or seeking safety/opportunity for more security.

I would say that actually the failure in critical thinking applies to those who can't seem to recognise the differences in the failings and inefficiency of our home office system and the actual human beings at the mercy of it. Or who can't see through the transparency of the media campaign against migrants (of particular heritage let's be honest) to alleviate the accountability of government for the social issues they have created over many years of austerity, cuts and unfeasible spending. When people talk about 'illegal immigration ' in reference to anyone seeking asylum I absolutely roll my eyes because by law this is not illegal asylum and that is them parroting the carefully chosen language trotted out in the media to create scapegoats.

I can’t tell you how I know in a professional capacity, but I will tell you now that the prosecutions of a certain demographic and custodial sentences that are given, they are
lined up for deportation, and in most cases they are back in the country stealing cars to order/other crime within the same area in under a month. Just with an alias and new ID.

The £2000 I am sorry to say is the very least of it, the harm and crime they are responsible for, not to mention the costs to the tax payers for long prison stays, court costs, police time, translators et al is absolutely eye watering. If only people knew the extent, perhaps it is best they don’t know….

Yes and soon we will be paying for all these “carers” to be cared for. We have imported a great deal of poor unskilled people. 50% of social housing in London alone is headed by first generation migrants.

I’m genuinely confused by the mindset of some people. So import lots of people who need to go on benefits just as the country is on the brink of bankruptcy.

I am fortunate own home outright and will have good pension. I genuinely don’t understand the poor supporting this happening to our country just not to look racist.

Having highly skilled migrants, bring it on! The last 25 years we’ve had a lot of unskilled immigration. My lifestyle has been affected by this and definitely younger people won’t have the experience and privileges I had. I’m 50 now. I’m totally confused it’s like people think you’ve got something personal against foreigners I don’t, but I’d rather live in a wealthier country that can look after its own.

Also Muslims will soon be the main religion here. This is a genuine question are these lefties happy about this? It’s started supermarkets and universities only selling halal products. I don’t think Muslims are too hot on supporting gay right or women’s rights either, this is what enviably will happen in schools and so on. If people want this to happen to our country, well it’s the majority decision I suppose.

A client said to me today that they didn’t think people who didn’t pay tax should be able to vote. I was horrified at first but I thought about it and think we’d certainly be a great deal wealthier and could support the poor better if it wasn’t just people voting for more benefits for themselves. Money we now don’t have.

I cannot get my head round the mindset of a pyramid type scheme of more and more unskilled people into the country to “care” for our elderly.

Perhaps someone could explain this without calling me a racist.

It’s a good investment for the future. It’s called prevention.

Totally agree with you. In most areas the NHS is failing. It’s no longer working. Almost everyone I know who has had surgery has had to wait for years to get it done and has then picked up an infection in a dirty hospital. Maternity care is on its knees which results in far too many poor outcomes, A & E is over utilised due to the inability to get a GP appointment. Massive wastage and administrative cock ups, We need to start again, look at countries such as The Netherlands and France who both have excellent provision. People take advantage of the nhs as they see it as being ‘free’. It’s abused and needs top to bottom reform and yes, we should have to contribute.

So you'd both rather they were on the backstreets? Sure that would go down well.

In the three most recent national polls, Reform are leading Labour by 8%, 3% and 9%. Let’s average it to 7%. Not a fan of Starmer but Farage’s supporters are getting a bit ahead of themselves if they think a 7% lead four years before a general election is going to hold up - when basically every single Angry About Immigration voter is already factored in (they’ve been hovering around 30% for months) and Labour support is at its lowest possible ebb. All it needs is for Labour to change leader, or Starmer to start governing for the country rather than Daily Mail readers, and Labour will still win more seats at the next GE.

You would be happy to lose your basic human rights like right to life, fair trial, freedom from torture?

You would be like Russia, and heading into Nazi Germany.

Most countries would refuse to trade with us.

Nigel Farage is the leader of Reform, a newly formed party who have very little in the term of policy detail but want us to believe that immigration is the primary issue in this country.

This is despite the fact that Nigel Farage was a significant reason we had Brexit which has seen a huge rise in the rise of small boats.

Nigel Farage portrays himself as anti-establishment and a "man of the people" despite the fact he went to one of the most exclusive schools in the country, was a city trader and set up a trust in the Isle of Man to offset his tax burden.

I can't find a recent poll which gives the 79% figure. You Gov recently did a poll and found that immigration is high up on the agenda but that perceptions of the British public were out of kilter with reality. Also, that polls do not differentiate between illegal (the thing that Nigel increased with Brexit) and legal immigration and the British public are being pushed to believe that illegal immigration is much higher than it is.

Now, now, don't go troubling people with actual facts, @NoSoupForU ! 😉

You’d like to direct people’s attentions to other problems, but many people feel this is one of the more important issues facing the country, and your attempts to minimise it by dismissing the numbers as small and insignificant is part of the problem. The number shouldn’t even be small - the number should be zero. And it’s not xenophobic to say so.

You do know that I was referring to far left Marxists on this thread, right?

That's not what this thread is about.

If the Tories hasn't created such a huge backlog to process immigrants we wouldn't be spending so much to house them while they wait to be processed. Am sick of seeing people blame immigrants for our government's failings. They didn't come here to spend 2 years in a small hotel room waiting to be processed. For the most part immigrants want to work and contribute and it's our government's fault that many can't for a long time

Yes that's why Farage wants to leave the ECHR

• you're making his case for him.