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DS plans to leave his central London flat totally empty for a year

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Tedsabear · 24/09/2025 16:25

Hi all, so my DS’s dad passed away a couple of years ago, between his pension, life insurance and home DS and as able to sell his home and buy a flat in central London. He spent over 1 million on this (his dad wasn’t super wealthy or anything he just owned a property in a nice area of London and it was paid off mortgage wise). His girlfriend is Portuguese and also owns property in Lisbon.
They are mid 20s.

They have decided to spend the next year as digital nomads as they are able to work remotely. I told DS he should rent out his flat and his girlfriend should do the same. One from a security perspective and two as extra income. He has said no he doesn’t like the idea of someone staying in his space, he’s said I can go and check on it once a month or “whatever” if I like. He said his girlfriend will be doing the same anyway.

AIBU to think he’s being ridiculous?

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daleylama · 27/09/2025 12:14

Laurmolonlabe · 27/09/2025 07:50

How does being immune to occupancy clauses stop you getting squatters? How does it make your non-existent insurance pay out if a pipe bursts?

I detect a hint of sarcasm in that reply..read it again

summershere99 · 27/09/2025 09:44

If he doesn’t need the money then it’s definitely the better option to leave it empty if he’s likely only going away for a year. Speaking from experience unfortunately, renting your home out can be a nightmare because many tenants won’t treat it with the same care you do and he could come back to a whole load of problems. Can’t you stay there once a month and have free accommodation in central London? Sounds great!

Tulipvase · 27/09/2025 09:29

Laurmolonlabe · 27/09/2025 07:50

How does being immune to occupancy clauses stop you getting squatters? How does it make your non-existent insurance pay out if a pipe bursts?

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. I agree with you. I was told by another poster that you didn’t need to worry about insurance.

Laurmolonlabe · 27/09/2025 07:50

Tulipvase · 26/09/2025 21:26

I wouldn’t worry about insurance. As I was so eloquently informed on this thread, flats are immune to any occupancy clauses…….

How does being immune to occupancy clauses stop you getting squatters? How does it make your non-existent insurance pay out if a pipe bursts?

saraclara · 26/09/2025 22:41

NapoleonsToe · 26/09/2025 22:26

Presumably there was a clause saying the property had to be inspected regularly and a register maintaned of those visits. That's what we had to do.

Yes, I've already mentioned that more than once. At present there are enough estate agents and handymen going in to prepare my property for sale, to meet the requirements and sign the book that I've left in the kitchen. When/if that ends, I've already found a someone local who can do that for me for next to nothing.

NapoleonsToe · 26/09/2025 22:26

saraclara · 26/09/2025 22:04

The broker who arranged my unoccupied property insurance warned me that it would be expensive, so I was amazed to find that it was only £325 for the year.

Also, as it's a flat above a shop, it's going to be far less obvious to any passer-by that it's empty, compared to a house on a normal street. So I think squatters and intruders are far less likely than they could be at my property. A very normal modern three bed semi close to the road with no lights on, no car on the drive etc for a long period, is much more of a target than a flat above a shop that no pedestrian even notices.

Presumably there was a clause saying the property had to be inspected regularly and a register maintaned of those visits. That's what we had to do.

saraclara · 26/09/2025 22:04

TonTonMacoute · 26/09/2025 16:07

This,

He must make sure he has the right insurance and it will cost him money to do it, but unless he has an incredibly reliable house sitter I would leave it empty.

The broker who arranged my unoccupied property insurance warned me that it would be expensive, so I was amazed to find that it was only £325 for the year.

Also, as it's a flat above a shop, it's going to be far less obvious to any passer-by that it's empty, compared to a house on a normal street. So I think squatters and intruders are far less likely than they could be at my property. A very normal modern three bed semi close to the road with no lights on, no car on the drive etc for a long period, is much more of a target than a flat above a shop that no pedestrian even notices.

daleylama · 26/09/2025 22:04

SixtyTwoPercent · 24/09/2025 16:34

I get it - he doesn't want the stress and worry of being a landlord, plus arranging the necessary safety checks and insurances, plus having to move out all of his stuff for a year and then do a tax return.

People have a really rose tinted view of renting out property as this super easy money making scheme where (assuming you're a decent person) it is in fact a massive PITA.

He will need to sort insurance though.

Insurance for an empty property will be required plus payment for water supply and power standing charges, even though empty. I'd be renting it out thru an agent in a strict 12 month lease.

Tulipvase · 26/09/2025 21:26

Skodacool · 26/09/2025 16:25

That’s very important; most policies state that the property must not be left unoccupied for more than a certain number of days. Has he also considered the risk of squatters?

I wouldn’t worry about insurance. As I was so eloquently informed on this thread, flats are immune to any occupancy clauses…….

Skodacool · 26/09/2025 16:25

Tiswa · 24/09/2025 16:27

He needs to have insurance to reflect that though

That’s very important; most policies state that the property must not be left unoccupied for more than a certain number of days. Has he also considered the risk of squatters?

TonTonMacoute · 26/09/2025 16:07

JustMeAndTheFish · 25/09/2025 19:40

As long as appropriate insurance is in place this is exactly what I’d do.

This,

He must make sure he has the right insurance and it will cost him money to do it, but unless he has an incredibly reliable house sitter I would leave it empty.

saraclara · 26/09/2025 15:40

mysoulmio · 26/09/2025 14:33

if its a million pound flat in central London its probably in a block with a concierge etc so at least will be reasonably secure? I'd worry about leaks, moldiness etc. Can he pay for a cleaner ro go in once a month at least or pay a property management company to do checks?

I do understand about not renting it oit, they might come back now an dagain between those desiginations or get a last minute cheap flight back to London.

As a pp has pointed out, there's no concierge.
However his insurance for an unoccupied property will insist that the flat is visited regularly, and there are companies that will happily do that and record the visits.

At the moment I have enough people visiting my property to do work/quote/inspect it regarding its imminent marketing (and signing and dating a notebook left there for that purpose) to cover the once a week visit that my insurer asks for. When those visits dry up, the cleaner who cleared the property is happy to make that weekly visit.

HundredMilesAnHour · 26/09/2025 14:39

mysoulmio · 26/09/2025 14:33

if its a million pound flat in central London its probably in a block with a concierge etc so at least will be reasonably secure? I'd worry about leaks, moldiness etc. Can he pay for a cleaner ro go in once a month at least or pay a property management company to do checks?

I do understand about not renting it oit, they might come back now an dagain between those desiginations or get a last minute cheap flight back to London.

OP has already said that it’s a flat above a shop so no concierge, block etc.

mysoulmio · 26/09/2025 14:33

if its a million pound flat in central London its probably in a block with a concierge etc so at least will be reasonably secure? I'd worry about leaks, moldiness etc. Can he pay for a cleaner ro go in once a month at least or pay a property management company to do checks?

I do understand about not renting it oit, they might come back now an dagain between those desiginations or get a last minute cheap flight back to London.

NomoneyNoprospects · 26/09/2025 14:27

DP and I did a year abroad in our twenties and we rented out our flat for a year. It was up there with one of the most stressful things we've ever done. The (seemingly nice) tenants were a bloody nightmare, caused thousands of pounds of damage. Letting agent was totally useless and negligent. We all ended up in court whilst I was pregnant. Never again.

If he can afford to leave it empty and still cover the costs then this will 100% be the easiest option. Surely he has a couple of trustworthy mates who'd jump at the chance to occasionally spend a weekend there and make sure everything's fine?

Tedsabear · 26/09/2025 14:19

LadyPiglet · 26/09/2025 09:56

Working freelance from a country you don't have a work visa for is an immigration offence in a lot of places. He needs to be careful

Many countries have digital nomad visas for this very reason.

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HundredMilesAnHour · 26/09/2025 10:51

LadyPiglet · 26/09/2025 09:56

Working freelance from a country you don't have a work visa for is an immigration offence in a lot of places. He needs to be careful

Exactly this. There can be both immigration and tax issues. Some countries don’t allow ANY work (even unpaid/voluntary) without an appropriate visa.

Writing “he’s freelance so it’s a non-issue” is rather horrifying in its ignorance. I’m hoping this is just the OP’s lack of knowledge rather than what her DS has told her.

LadyPiglet · 26/09/2025 09:56

Tedsabear · 26/09/2025 08:43

He is freelance so it’s a non-issue.

Working freelance from a country you don't have a work visa for is an immigration offence in a lot of places. He needs to be careful

saraclara · 26/09/2025 09:01

I get that you find it frustrating to watch him appear to throw money away, @Tedsabear . It's hard to watch someone seem so casual about it and I'm guessing that you worry that his attitude to money has been affected by money and a £1m property just dropping into his lap.

But my enforced 18 months of being a landlord has been an eye opener. I don't know why anyone does it. I have not made a penny from it, and nor did my late mum in the last year of accounts that I saw. But it's brought me a world of pain, and I'm one of the lucky ones who's tenants left (eventually) without me needing to get the bailiffs in. The property is an absolute mess, and if it was my home I'd be heartbroken.

Your son risks all this PLUS having to move all his stuff and put it in storage, at London storage costs. Plus the extra tenants rights that the government are bringing in, make renting your own home temporarily extremely risky.

Honestly, it's not worth it.

Tedsabear · 26/09/2025 08:43

Bringchocolate · 26/09/2025 08:35

Being able to work remotely and working internationally are different things. I know from my work that permission is needed to work from a different country unless you are sent there for work purposes
due to tax and other liabilities for the company.

He is freelance so it’s a non-issue.

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Bringchocolate · 26/09/2025 08:35

saraclara · 26/09/2025 08:17

From the OP:

"They have decided to spend the next year as digital nomads as they are able to work remotely"

The world is full of digital nomads at the moment. I have two friends doing it. Interestingly, given the Portuguese girlfriend, Lisbon is pretty much the European capital of digital nomad life, to the point that locals are complaining about it!

Being able to work remotely and working internationally are different things. I know from my work that permission is needed to work from a different country unless you are sent there for work purposes
due to tax and other liabilities for the company.

saraclara · 26/09/2025 08:17

Bringchocolate · 25/09/2025 21:59

Has he checked he’d be allowed to work from different countries? There are tax implications and other restrictions for employees to work from other countries.

From the OP:

"They have decided to spend the next year as digital nomads as they are able to work remotely"

The world is full of digital nomads at the moment. I have two friends doing it. Interestingly, given the Portuguese girlfriend, Lisbon is pretty much the European capital of digital nomad life, to the point that locals are complaining about it!

123Carrotake · 25/09/2025 22:02

I'm renting out our flat in London while we moved abroad with DH's job.

It's a pain in the arse and I'm in the process of kicking out the tenants.

Seriously not worth it of you can afford it.

Bringchocolate · 25/09/2025 21:59

Has he checked he’d be allowed to work from different countries? There are tax implications and other restrictions for employees to work from other countries.

AhBiscuits · 25/09/2025 21:48

If he rents it out and the tenant won't leave, it could easily take 2 years to evict them. London courts have MASSIVE backlogs for hearings and bailiff appointments. Plus S21 won't exist soon so he'd need to find another ground to get them out. I wouldn't do it.