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To be surprised and disappointed by this man's assumption?

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BeHappySloth · 24/09/2025 13:12

Answered the door at lunchtime on a wfh day, it was a guy from ipsos wanting to do a survey. He had a proper ID etc.

I was happy to do the survey, and we went through the questions. One of them was about whether I was the primary income earner in the household. He read the question and then added, before I had an opportunity to respond, "presumably that's your husband". (I had already told him that I was married.)

AIBU to be surprised and disappointed that someone would still openly voice such an assumption in this day and age? Even if he thought it, I would have expected him to know better than to say it?

FWIW, the assumption was incorrect but that shouldn't really matter.

OP posts:
DancingMango · 25/09/2025 15:54

Sheiswaiting · 25/09/2025 14:04

Really? I have teenagers and absolutely not the case with them and their peers / friends

I’m really pleased to hear that your teenagers are part of a peer group where this isn’t a problem.
I come across plenty of young people with the mindset you describe when they’ve been lucky enough to grow up in an egalitarian, respectful environment.
However , honestly,, sadly , yes , across the board in my experience , sexism is holding strong & has got worse in some respects over the last 5 years or so .

So much of our general culture is sexist & it insidiously slips into the way young people see themselves and is expressed when I talk with them about career choices , salary expectations etc .
Random stuff :
The slogans/ design of children’s clothing / comics / programmes ( Paw Patrol ?!! ) etc aim so much gendered tosh at small children .
It all adds up over the years unless they have people in their lives to actively counter it .

Girls still often steer away from Physics A level .At the school in which I work there are 17 boys and one girl taking it this year for example. The leadership team at the school are all male despite the majority of the teaching body being female .
Online misogyny ( Andrew Tate etc ) has a lot to answer for …PSHE classes … Students STILL aren’t taught useful stuff about how to look after and prevent the ordinary but horrible things that can beset female bodies ( cystitis / UTIs’ ).

Sheiswaiting · 25/09/2025 14:04

DancingMango · 25/09/2025 08:10

Sadly sexist assumptions aren’t confined to any particular age demographic . I work with teenagers & and am frequently taken aback when they express their honest views around job expectations and gender roles …

Really? I have teenagers and absolutely not the case with them and their peers / friends

SparklyCardigan · 25/09/2025 08:34

I'd also have been annoyed at the assumption that I was married to a man (unless you'd already specifically mentioned that you had a husband).

Earlybirdcatchesworms · 25/09/2025 08:33

Your not aibu. I would be annoyed.
I've had this too, when my husband and I were looking at rentals. I pay the rent and manage bills, we both work but his take home is less..but they would only respond to him on questions, asked about his work and employer. I then said I can get my payslips too and they looked at me saying that won't be necessary 😂 they still dont seem to have twigged its me paying bills even with all payments from my sole account..and when they ask for xyz he says he needs to ask me...

Goldenbear · 25/09/2025 08:28

I don't earn more than DH but I'd still be highly offended as like him I'm educated to Masters degree level and it is completely down to structural sexism that I am not earning as much as him!

whatsit84 · 25/09/2025 08:15

My MIL used to comment that I was ‘spending her son’s money’ and asked me if I was going to give up work when we had the kids, despite the fact I am just as well educated as her son (we met at university).
soon stopped when she learnt I earn well over twice what he does….. but like you I am surprised in this day and age people make these assumptions! I think I’d have enjoyed putting him right tbh.

DancingMango · 25/09/2025 08:10

Sadly sexist assumptions aren’t confined to any particular age demographic . I work with teenagers & and am frequently taken aback when they express their honest views around job expectations and gender roles …

Sparklesandspandexgallore · 25/09/2025 07:50

What an idiot.

JG24 · 25/09/2025 07:47

MidnightPatrol · 24/09/2025 13:19

How did you react?

On maternity leave (and now tbh) I was / am often asked ‘do you work’ or ‘do you think you’ll go back to work’.

No one ever asked my husband.

Most annoying was people we knew doing, family friends etc.

I am in quite a serious industry which is competitive to get into, have a senior role etc - and yes am the ‘breadwinner’. The assumption id just be leaving… argh!

Pregnant again now so looking forward to this ramping up again over the next 12 months.

My DH finds it v funny and we have mused as to what exactly people’s assumptions are about our set up - that I have a job for a bit of fun and he’s funding everything. Shows absolutely no one listens when they ask about your job…!

Edited

I got asked this when I was already back at work and my husband was on shared parental leave. It really confused people when I told them.
If anyone asks me anything presuming I will go part time etc I answer with I'm not interested but if we could afford dot my husband would
Just to reinforce the point that it shouldn't be me just because I'm a woman

Tiredofwhataboutery · 25/09/2025 07:47

I’ve done these surveys and you really shouldn’t be making assumptions although 9/10 it’s the bloke, higher if it’s pensioners.

InMyOpenOnion · 25/09/2025 07:41

cool4cats2020 · 24/09/2025 14:09

Presumably your husband is the primary earner? Seeing as you've got time to stand on the doorstep chatting to random survey people in the middle of the day.

I WFH in a senior role. I earn more than my DH. Because I am senior, I dictate my own schedule and if I chose to make time for a survey I could. Often, the more senior you are, the less you are bound by a relentless daily schedule that means you don't have time for anything else of your choosing.

Sheiswaiting · 25/09/2025 07:37

And if anyone on this thread is making the assumption he’s “thick” @Redflagsabounded its because of the daft assumption he made, which is what the OP is based on 😕

Sheiswaiting · 25/09/2025 07:36

Redflagsabounded · 25/09/2025 06:40

That would have made my blood fizz as well OP. He obviously assumes a man earns more than a woman.

Can posters not be so snooty about people doing low paid work though. All sorts of people do these jobs for all sorts of reasons. Even in their 50s. I find it horrible that people seem to be suggesting this means he must be thick or a failure. I'm well educated, have a professional career, yet I've stood on factory production lines. I know a man with a PhD who works in a part time 'unskilled' role due to disabilities acquired in later life. I know someone who decided to semi retire from an excellent highly-paid role and works part-time in a DIY store as they want some structure and interaction in their life without the stress. Don't make assumptions about people because of their job.

Many lower paid jobs require real skills too.

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The point is… he’s in a low skilled and low paid job and yet making the assumption that the OP’s husband must be the primary earner.

Well, his family wouldn’t exactly be flying high if he was the primary earner

whatevenwasthat · 25/09/2025 07:17

YANBU to be disappointed but you shouldn’t be surprised

Goldenbear · 25/09/2025 07:17

Theses not "this".

Goldenbear · 25/09/2025 07:17

Redflagsabounded · 25/09/2025 06:40

That would have made my blood fizz as well OP. He obviously assumes a man earns more than a woman.

Can posters not be so snooty about people doing low paid work though. All sorts of people do these jobs for all sorts of reasons. Even in their 50s. I find it horrible that people seem to be suggesting this means he must be thick or a failure. I'm well educated, have a professional career, yet I've stood on factory production lines. I know a man with a PhD who works in a part time 'unskilled' role due to disabilities acquired in later life. I know someone who decided to semi retire from an excellent highly-paid role and works part-time in a DIY store as they want some structure and interaction in their life without the stress. Don't make assumptions about people because of their job.

Many lower paid jobs require real skills too.

Edited

And sometimes people are doing this jobs just to pass time, we have a local magazine about the area that's written and published and 'delivered' by a group of people who are retired in their sixties. The man that delivers lives in a huge house as you say, not that that should matter but we shouldn't judge books by their covers!

Goldenbear · 25/09/2025 07:12

Dontlletmedownbruce · 24/09/2025 14:58

There is a big difference IMO between asking a mother if she works outside the home and assuming that the male is the breadwinner when both partners work from home. So for example if you were home during the day with a child I don't think it would be unreasonable to assume you were SAHM. However the way he phrased it was wrong and presumptuous so I would be annoyed too

This reminds me of a few years ago when I was up a ladder painting when a tradesman called. I said sorry for the mess I'm just in the middle of painting etc and he said : 'a housewife painting! Well I've seen it all now...'. I was too surprised to even respond. It makes no sense on every level.. surely a 'housewife' would have traditionally done the painting too, was keeping house not literally their job description?. I can't imagine being home all day then asking DH to spend his evening doing house related work, that seems very unfair! However it seems thats how it was in his experience. That's before we even get to the presumption that I don't work and using such an outdated term.

I don't think that for a certain age of man that would be an unusual comment as I don't think the Housewife was expected to do DIY. I have had the same from my 90+ year old neighbour, he saw me painting the front fence and commented along the lines of, "it's not right..." I'm not a housewife, I WFH some days but he can't get his head around that either. However, when I go into the office, it is a longish commute done by many around here and he has seen me arrive home fairly late on occasion and has commented on it not being right that a lady arrives home from work at this time, asks what my "fella' is doing when I'm working so many hours especially as we have DC! He also doesn't understand why we live in the house we do with a family when he has one to himself or why I work when we have children. I have explained that unfortunately that's the economic reality of most our age (early - mid 40s) now!

Bjorkdidit · 25/09/2025 06:55

Sheiswaiting · 24/09/2025 14:03

Oh…. Don’t suppose he envisaged he’d be on near minimum wage doing door to door surveys in the twilight of his “career”!

He went off script, without thinking, bit daft but I wouldn’t be depressed at a >50 year old man unskilled worker making a silly presumption.

No >50 year old man in law, medicine etc would make the same stupid assumption

But over 50 is not old.

I am in my 50s and throughout my working life it's been an absolute expectation that both men and women can do any job, they will be paid the same for it and either men or women can be the higher earner in a heterosexual couple. Anyone voicing the opposite opinion should expect to be called out on it.

Plus someone at home in the daytime could be on a lunchbreak from a professional well paid WFH job.

OP YANBU.

spoonbillstretford · 25/09/2025 06:47

toomuchfaff · 24/09/2025 14:13

😆 well obviously you know nothing about roles and responsibilities.

Many senior roles can and are carried out by people wfh... and the more senior, the more flexibility

Hahaha @cool4cats2020 are you the survey guy?

In a senior role you have far more say over how you spend your time than in a junior role.

whattimeisitanyway4 · 25/09/2025 06:46

Unfortunately this type of assumption is still not uncommon. DH and I own a business together. When people ask what we do, it’s very clear they think DH actually owns it and I’m some type of admin! I was a Director of a multi national in the same sector before we set up the business and DH, god love him, always points this out. To be fair, it’s usually women who are the most surprised!

Redflagsabounded · 25/09/2025 06:40

That would have made my blood fizz as well OP. He obviously assumes a man earns more than a woman.

Can posters not be so snooty about people doing low paid work though. All sorts of people do these jobs for all sorts of reasons. Even in their 50s. I find it horrible that people seem to be suggesting this means he must be thick or a failure. I'm well educated, have a professional career, yet I've stood on factory production lines. I know a man with a PhD who works in a part time 'unskilled' role due to disabilities acquired in later life. I know someone who decided to semi retire from an excellent highly-paid role and works part-time in a DIY store as they want some structure and interaction in their life without the stress. Don't make assumptions about people because of their job.

Many lower paid jobs require real skills too.

Sheiswaiting · 25/09/2025 06:07

Well if this chap was the primary earner of his family, they’d have been a very low income family! Door to door unskilled survey taker? Minimum wage or just above.

Antimimisti · 24/09/2025 18:36

I'd have been pissed off and tempted to ask him if he'd time-travelled to my doorstep from 1953 ...

PragmaticIsh · 24/09/2025 18:32

Research agencies struggle to retain interviewers so he won't be in trouble but do let IPSOS know, then they'll be aware to focus on issues like this more in training.

JayJayj · 24/09/2025 18:23

BeHappySloth · 24/09/2025 16:15

It is sad, really. Can I ask if you pointed out the sexism on either of these occasions? I'm feeling a bit pathetic for not having said something at the time.

Yes I did. I am very outspoken (sometimes too much 😂) and I’m happy to call it out.

I just remembered another. I was getting the bus to work, I can’t remember the time but it was really early and not many people on. It was winter so I got a hot chocolate from Greggs. The bus driver told me I wasn’t allowed on with it? I argued back as I got one nearly every morning. I asked where the sign was. I can’t remember everything but he went, oh because you’re a woman you have to right? I called it out and he did apologise for that statement and let me get on. As I went to sit down there was a guy sat down with a greggs cup!! I went back and let the driver know!

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