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To realise very few people care about road rules or the Highway Code any more

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JacquesHarlow · 24/09/2025 13:08

AIBU here - is anyone on Mumsnet like me, and thinks about the Highway Code or bothers to follow its guidance? Please join me if so!

For my job I have to drive a LOT. I drive pretty much all over the UK.

Yes, the standard of driving is far better than many countries around the world. But something I have noticed increasingly (and especially since the pandemic) is this:

  1. Very few people indicate right on a roundabout. You get this bizarre situation where someone approaches a roundabout in a right hand lane, doesn't indicate, careers around the roundabout for 270 degrees, then once at their junction, they indicate off left to show they're taking the exit!!
  2. Middle lane hogging is now third lane hogging On any four lane motorway in the UK, I find the vast majority of drivers have moved to the third lane and sit there at 60 or 65mph. The first and second lane have been re-designated as a lorry lane, and as a lorry overtaking lane. Again, this is not the Highway Code.
  3. Phone driving is an absolute epidemic. On the school run people drive off holding their phones and checking messages... next to a SCHOOL where children are still walking and crossing the road.
  4. Merge in turn is completely ignored - instead you see bizarre behaviour like road captains who sit straddling two lanes, a mile before the merge, to stop "queue jumpers". This goes completely against the road rules and the Code but once again, British drivers know best and no one can tell them otherwise
  5. Give way if parked cars are on your left again seems to be ignored. I've seen plenty of fellow women do this one, where they barrel through hoping the other person will concede, and then when asked to reverse their car, go into a complete blind panic and start swearing and shouting for the other person to reverse instead.
  6. Give way to traffic already on the motorway when joining Again, forget it. When I'm in lane 1, and I see a slip road ahead, I try and move over. I can't straightway because middle lane hoggers, however I wait for a gap and then move in time. Only to find the car that is joining isn't happy I've made a space...because they want to slalom across two lanes and barrel their way into lane 2 or 3 in one quick glide! WTF.

Yeah I've shared too many examples, but I could share dozens more.

It's like the Highway Code is irrelevant to most drivers. They decide "what is fair". So if they feel they don't want to wait and there's an obstruction on their left? Barrel on through!

The only way around this is either

  • increased traffic policing of road offences, which we all know won't happen because we have fewer police
  • mandatory driving retraining, which everyone would hate

Is this just me? Does anyone else care about this or notice this, or am I a lone female voice in this space and actually it's fine to just make up the rules as we go along?

Thanks in advance

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ProfessionalWhimsicalSkidaddler · 24/09/2025 14:30

Well, that’s it. You’re now crowned minister for department of driving @@JacquesHarlow

keep up the good work.

also drive a lot for work and couldn’t agree more with what you’ve said!

ZamaZama · 24/09/2025 14:28

FigurativelyDying · 24/09/2025 14:21

No, I know what you mean, but it’s not what I meant.
I’m thinking about congested traffic where all traffic is slow, and they weave in and out trying to get one car ahead, then move back over to the middle lane, then briefly into the fast lane, then undertake agin in the middle lane. It’s very common and very dangerous. Or, I am behind a middle lane hogger, unable to overtake due to faster cars in the fast lane, and they undertake the middle lane hogger.

There are also the dickheads who join the motorway and immediately speed into the outside lane, usually by cutting in front without a safe distance. Everyone else can be driving in the correct lane and overtaking those on the left properly, but it doesn’t stop these clowns undertaking.

Bagsintheboot · 24/09/2025 14:28

FigurativelyDying · 24/09/2025 14:21

No, I know what you mean, but it’s not what I meant.
I’m thinking about congested traffic where all traffic is slow, and they weave in and out trying to get one car ahead, then move back over to the middle lane, then briefly into the fast lane, then undertake agin in the middle lane. It’s very common and very dangerous. Or, I am behind a middle lane hogger, unable to overtake due to faster cars in the fast lane, and they undertake the middle lane hogger.

Ah I see what you mean now. Yes the weaving is very dangerous!

If you're sitting in the middle lane and not overtaking however, you should move over to lane 1 as otherwise you are adding to the hazard. So if you're stuck behind a middle lane hogger it is best to move left and wait for the traffic to clear.

Laptopsas · 24/09/2025 14:24

The tailgating has become ridiculous. It’s so dangerous. Why do people do it?

FigurativelyDying · 24/09/2025 14:21

Bagsintheboot · 24/09/2025 14:15

If someone is able to undertake you at speed on motorways, you are in the wrong lane

No, I know what you mean, but it’s not what I meant.
I’m thinking about congested traffic where all traffic is slow, and they weave in and out trying to get one car ahead, then move back over to the middle lane, then briefly into the fast lane, then undertake agin in the middle lane. It’s very common and very dangerous. Or, I am behind a middle lane hogger, unable to overtake due to faster cars in the fast lane, and they undertake the middle lane hogger.

ZamaZama · 24/09/2025 14:20

Hogging the third lane is a new annoyance I’ve only really noticed in the last couple of years. I have to assume these drivers are so oblivious that they just don’t notice the aggressive tailgaters who also stick to this lane.

But the most aggravating aspect of modern driving is the barrelling through thing you mention. At full speed too, so you’re forced to stop even though your side is clear when if they slowed a little both could safely proceed. I’m also noticing an increase in drivers who overtake cyclists even though they have to drive into oncoming traffic to do so. Either forcing those vehicles to brake or leaving hardly any room. Really dangerous.

Bagsintheboot · 24/09/2025 14:15

FigurativelyDying · 24/09/2025 14:03

And don’t get me started on undertaking at speed on motorways

If someone is able to undertake you at speed on motorways, you are in the wrong lane

Bagsintheboot · 24/09/2025 14:12

If I were a benevolent dictator I would make the requirements to hold a licence much stricter. You'd need a much more advanced licence to drive anything larger than a hatchback for a start.

I would introduce random mandatory testing, I would do away with the hardship plea, and I would impose a three-strikes rule which covers everything; speeding, impaired driving, phone driving, poor lane discipline (including cutting corners and middle lane hogging), dangerous / aggressive driving, and poor parking (yes I would bring parking badly into the offence regime too). I wouldn't have speed or traffic cameras visible either. They deter people for a few metres, that's it.

I would also fund a lot more traffic police.

The standards of driving in this country are, as a rule, appalling.

BorgQueen · 24/09/2025 14:09

Driving nowadays is just a giant, dangerous game of chicken.
All my regular journeys are sub 15 minutes, 3x a week 7.20am and between 5-6pm.
Every single time I am almost run off the road by people coming towards me on the wrong side of the road, even when I have priority.
Every red light has multiple cars go through, every roundabout has people not indicating or indicating wrongly.
I don’t understand why traffic lights don’t have cameras, they could be making a fortune from fines.

Tarkan · 24/09/2025 14:09

DH is a bus driver and moved from
town driving to longer distance coaches because he was fed up of people thinking they had the right of way because the parked cars were on the same side as the bus (usually longer roads where the bus was fine to move out when it got there but someone flying up the other way didn’t think to wait to let the bus through the whole way) and would refuse to reverse causing a total roadblock. It’s usually not safe for buses to reverse on public roads so it’s better for the car to reverse, but the amount of people adamant they were in the right because of where the parked cars were was crazy.

FigurativelyDying · 24/09/2025 14:03

And don’t get me started on undertaking at speed on motorways

FigurativelyDying · 24/09/2025 14:02

Add to this, people driving through red lights in busy built up areas. Not just one, but routinely 2 or 3 cars in a row. Often driving through when the green man is telling pedestrians they can cross. How are we meant to teach children to cross the road safely?

vivainsomnia · 24/09/2025 13:56

It's not "entitled"
I think it is entitlement for many. The same way every day, you get people going into the turning lane to bypass the one queuing and then expect to be let through at the light.

There are two very busy roads with such two lanes in my town. Every single day during rush hours, you get cars doing just that.

Yes, there might be some who do genuinely get frustrated that people don't use both lanes in the instance of roadworks and use the outside lane for that reason, but many, just like those in the above instance, do it because they genuinely believe waiting and queuing shouldn't apply to them.

Ezzee · 24/09/2025 13:53

vivainsomnia · 24/09/2025 13:22

I agree with all but number 4. The usual signs encourage people to get onto one lane much sooner than just when the lanes merged.

Yes merging sooner means a very slight longer time, depending on how long the queue is, but those who decide to pass everybody queuing are assholes.they don't do it because they like to.folliw the rules, they do it because they have a sense of entitlement and think others should just make way to their more important self.

No they are following the signs and merging as is lawful.
I don't sit and wait I carry on in the lane that is still open until I can merge safely, the ones not letting people in are the arseholes!
I agree OP I'm on the motorway every day an now tend to use the first lane as its bloody empty!

Abitofalark · 24/09/2025 13:53

In your Example 1 I am surprised at them using the indicator to exit left. In my experience as a pedestrian at the roundabout exit in the centre of town, many don't use the indicator. There are always pedestrians there coming from the busy station and always cars going to it (including many taxis going to the station taxi stand.)

It happens regularly in other local roads too, when simply turning off the road into a road to their left or right. No indicator. Several times I could have run into the back of some car while cycling down a local hill because it turned across in front of me without any signal.

Failure to use the indicator is not just by speedsters or boy racers, either. The solid men and women who are parents of children in my neighbourhood regularly turn into the road they live in without indicating. Oddly enough, a lot of these non-indicator users, whether turning off roundabout or road, will stop and wave across pedestrians waiting for the car to pass. The mentality seems to be 'Who needs an indicator'?

Tww2674 · 24/09/2025 13:52

vivainsomnia · 24/09/2025 13:22

I agree with all but number 4. The usual signs encourage people to get onto one lane much sooner than just when the lanes merged.

Yes merging sooner means a very slight longer time, depending on how long the queue is, but those who decide to pass everybody queuing are assholes.they don't do it because they like to.folliw the rules, they do it because they have a sense of entitlement and think others should just make way to their more important self.

But if everyone queued in both lanes no one could just barge past everyone else. The people queuing in one lane for 1000 yards before the merge cause the issues as they effectively leave a completely empty lane for people to drive up to the merge. Madness

JacquesHarlow · 24/09/2025 13:50

The number of women hogging lanes 2 and 3 was really disappointing I checked everyone one, and 100% were women.

I concur with this @PauliesWalnuts although I do see a fair few middle aged men in SUVs doing this also.

I have heard in person evidence of why fellow women seem to gravitate to lanes 2 and 3.

It tends to go like this:

  • "I don't want to do all that weaving about. It's safer to stay in one lane"
  • "I don't want to have to move over for people constantly joining the motorway"
  • "Lane 1 is for lorries, and lane 2 is often taken up by overtaking lorries"
  • "Lane 1 is rutted and not a smooth enough surface for my car"

etc etc

It's why you end up seeing the following

  • People hunched over their steering wheel terrified, staring ahead and then desperately trying to move over when they realise it is their junction, and mis-timing everything because they're not used to using their mirrors and judging distance in changing lanes
  • People sitting at 65 or 70 but being irritated or waving their hands when flashed by other users. To those drivers, everyone "fast" should be in lane 4.
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Nowherefast4 · 24/09/2025 13:49

Yep. Loads of people don't understand it. A driver just turned from a main road wham into a side road I was crossing, got out his car and yelled at me. Even if I was waiting to cross I would've had have right of way - this was a rule introduced in 2022, but he didn't believe me and refused to. It's dangerous people like him can drive.

PauliesWalnuts · 24/09/2025 13:46

This morning I’ve driven from the Western Lake District to Manchester - so, tiny winding lanes, up and over the Honister Pass, through Keswick town centre and down the M6 - a wide range of driving environments. The standard of driving left me utterly aghast. Adding to your list, the need to give way to a vehicle coming up a hill where possible was ignored - luckily I’m good enough at hill starts to be able to do one climbing a 20% incline on Honister. The number of women hogging lanes 2 and 3 was really disappointing I checked everyone one, and 100% were women. And as someone who usually cycles a lot more than she drives I am in full agreement with @Colourpurplepalette that people don’t indicate enough, especially when turning right at roundabouts. Do they no longer teach mirror-signal-manoeuvre?

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 24/09/2025 13:45

Agree with all of that. I’ve been driving more than usual recently and I just cannot believe the lane 2 and 3 hogging on the motorways, it’s never been this bad before. Although I have to say I don’t care if people indicate or not because, quite frankly, the amount of times you see someone indicating one way but then going the other is also nuts, so I don’t really trust them anyway 🤷‍♀️.

JacquesHarlow · 24/09/2025 13:43

vivainsomnia · 24/09/2025 13:36

The signs say use both lanes
My experience is that when there is a sign that says to use both lanes, people do, but it is rare that it does. Instead you get signs that tell you to merge 300 yards before the merge, so people do....and then you gave the entitled who pass everyone, and then worse, who get cross when the first car doesn't let them through immediately!

It's not "entitled" is it @vivainsomnia to pass everyone after seeing a warning sign!

Unless the lane is closed with a red "X" above the gantry, then a warning sign is just that - a warning.

It is not an instruction or a summons to move over immediately in case you are called entitled or arrogant by other road users.

The Highway Code warms against people speeding to the end of the merge, but it does't tell everyone to get across as early as possible either.

Most advanced driving instructors say to use the available road space and then merge in turn.

It is only British drivers who have then decided that the 300 yards sign is the "last merge point" and anyone who continues after this is an entitled brat.

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Liverpool52 · 24/09/2025 13:37

Add to that people who park on pavements when there are no signs telling them to do so (which is the only time you supposed to do it).

People who don't stop to allow pedestrians to cross at junctions, as required by the highway code..

People who think they can drive at their usual speed in wet conditions regardless - I regularly get soaked on my walk to and from work.

vivainsomnia · 24/09/2025 13:36

The signs say use both lanes
My experience is that when there is a sign that says to use both lanes, people do, but it is rare that it does. Instead you get signs that tell you to merge 300 yards before the merge, so people do....and then you gave the entitled who pass everyone, and then worse, who get cross when the first car doesn't let them through immediately!

Hickorysticks · 24/09/2025 13:31

vivainsomnia · 24/09/2025 13:22

I agree with all but number 4. The usual signs encourage people to get onto one lane much sooner than just when the lanes merged.

Yes merging sooner means a very slight longer time, depending on how long the queue is, but those who decide to pass everybody queuing are assholes.they don't do it because they like to.folliw the rules, they do it because they have a sense of entitlement and think others should just make way to their more important self.

But you're literally supposed to use both lanes. I used to always sit in the left hand lane, but now seeing sign after sign saying 'use both lanes' and 'merge in turn' I do so. If you choose to queue in the left lane then more fool you. The signs say use both lanes, so I now do so and merge when the signs say to merge in turn. We'd all get where we're going quicker if people used both lanes and left a gap for cars to zip.

Sillyoclock · 24/09/2025 13:27

Driving instructors use our road for learners as it’s pretty much circular. The number of students that come to a stop without indicating and then park across people’s drives is astounding. Also, the vast majority set off - again, without indicating or checking there is another vehicle coming up behind them.
If they’re not being taught the basics, there’s no hope.