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To realise very few people care about road rules or the Highway Code any more

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JacquesHarlow · 24/09/2025 13:08

AIBU here - is anyone on Mumsnet like me, and thinks about the Highway Code or bothers to follow its guidance? Please join me if so!

For my job I have to drive a LOT. I drive pretty much all over the UK.

Yes, the standard of driving is far better than many countries around the world. But something I have noticed increasingly (and especially since the pandemic) is this:

  1. Very few people indicate right on a roundabout. You get this bizarre situation where someone approaches a roundabout in a right hand lane, doesn't indicate, careers around the roundabout for 270 degrees, then once at their junction, they indicate off left to show they're taking the exit!!
  2. Middle lane hogging is now third lane hogging On any four lane motorway in the UK, I find the vast majority of drivers have moved to the third lane and sit there at 60 or 65mph. The first and second lane have been re-designated as a lorry lane, and as a lorry overtaking lane. Again, this is not the Highway Code.
  3. Phone driving is an absolute epidemic. On the school run people drive off holding their phones and checking messages... next to a SCHOOL where children are still walking and crossing the road.
  4. Merge in turn is completely ignored - instead you see bizarre behaviour like road captains who sit straddling two lanes, a mile before the merge, to stop "queue jumpers". This goes completely against the road rules and the Code but once again, British drivers know best and no one can tell them otherwise
  5. Give way if parked cars are on your left again seems to be ignored. I've seen plenty of fellow women do this one, where they barrel through hoping the other person will concede, and then when asked to reverse their car, go into a complete blind panic and start swearing and shouting for the other person to reverse instead.
  6. Give way to traffic already on the motorway when joining Again, forget it. When I'm in lane 1, and I see a slip road ahead, I try and move over. I can't straightway because middle lane hoggers, however I wait for a gap and then move in time. Only to find the car that is joining isn't happy I've made a space...because they want to slalom across two lanes and barrel their way into lane 2 or 3 in one quick glide! WTF.

Yeah I've shared too many examples, but I could share dozens more.

It's like the Highway Code is irrelevant to most drivers. They decide "what is fair". So if they feel they don't want to wait and there's an obstruction on their left? Barrel on through!

The only way around this is either

  • increased traffic policing of road offences, which we all know won't happen because we have fewer police
  • mandatory driving retraining, which everyone would hate

Is this just me? Does anyone else care about this or notice this, or am I a lone female voice in this space and actually it's fine to just make up the rules as we go along?

Thanks in advance

OP posts:
dynamiccactus · 30/09/2025 15:46

LakieLady · 30/09/2025 13:11

Both lanes are fully open until the merge point and both lanes should be used until the merge point. The highways agency puts the merge where they want it to be. If they wanted it a mile beforehand they'd have put it there.
Please, use both active lanes correctly and merge in turn at the point of the closure.

I agree, but sadly the twats queueing in the lane you need to merge into often seem to regard it as taking the piss and will often refuse to let you in.

You need to do one or the other.

If everyone has got into the lane they need early, it will move, albeit slowly, so just join it and follow what everyone else is doing. It's not clever in that scenario to go to the end and force your way in because you'll force what was a slow moving line to stop altogether.

A lot of places do now say merge in turn and that's what people do. A I go you go works really well but it also doesn't work when someone tries to push in when it's not their turn.

So both methods need people to play fair.

dynamiccactus · 30/09/2025 15:42

Runssometimes · 30/09/2025 12:14

It actually doesn’t say that. There’s no must for pedestrians (apart from not being on motorways), guidance in Rule 2 says to keep to RH side where no pavements but it may be safer to cross road well before a sharp rh bend and to cross back. It’s more nuanced and will depend on conditions.

Yes of course, that's what we do when we are running. But the point is more that pedestrians keep walking and running in the road when there's a pavement available. Even in the unlikely circumstance that there isn't a car or van parked on it.

noodlebugz · 30/09/2025 14:35

@LakieLady rest assured they are the cunt - or expletive of choice - personally I don’t really like that one.

Sevenh · 30/09/2025 14:15

Laptopsas · 24/09/2025 14:24

The tailgating has become ridiculous. It’s so dangerous. Why do people do it?

They do it because there’s no deterrent, in the same way that if there’s no consequences for inappropriate behaviour in the classroom the bullies can have free rein. All you can do is have cameras on your car. (I haven’t but I’m considering it).

When I did a speed awareness course (ironic I know) the course leader said you should just try to focus on your own safety and not engage with any unpleasantness regardless of how you were treated. So when I’m tailgated I pull in immediately and just try to be unemotional about it.

LakieLady · 30/09/2025 13:29

noodlebugz · 25/09/2025 21:51

This and bloody cyclists who don’t understand that a red traffic light applies to them. They are extremely common and one day I am going to push one over and just say oops didn’t see you there I was looking at the green man.

There's a set of lights in my (narrow) high street that has 4 phases, and slow ones at that.

Cyclists don't cycle across there when the lights are red, but bump up onto the (also narrow) pavement to ride past the lights instead. One almost ran into me the other day and had the audacity to call me a cunt as he bumped down the kerb into the road.

LakieLady · 30/09/2025 13:11

Both lanes are fully open until the merge point and both lanes should be used until the merge point. The highways agency puts the merge where they want it to be. If they wanted it a mile beforehand they'd have put it there.
Please, use both active lanes correctly and merge in turn at the point of the closure.

I agree, but sadly the twats queueing in the lane you need to merge into often seem to regard it as taking the piss and will often refuse to let you in.

Goldenbear · 30/09/2025 12:32

Zoopet · 25/09/2025 15:30

Come to North Yorkshire.
Speed limits appear to be optional here, especially when they are for 50mph on a dual carriageway (for safetyreasons.)

I've lost count of the number of irate drivers steaming up behind me then zipping into the overtaking lane whilst disappearing into the distance way over the speed limit.
Just why?

I find it terrible in a Midlands county I visit compared to where I live, I think there are just more traffic cops!

Goldenbear · 30/09/2025 12:30

crankycurmudgeon · 26/09/2025 08:23

The person who trundles along at no more than 40 mph on a B-road in the national speed limit sections, despite the road conditions making it safe to go at 50-60 mph much of the time... and I'm trying to be charitable and thinking "maybe they're just a really cautious driver"... and then we enter a village with a 30 mph... and they just carry on at their set speed of 40 mph. So* *no they're not cautious, just lazy, with no road awareness.

Are these people the same people, surely if you are unfamiliar with a B road and it's dark for example, 40- 45 is not that unreasonable?

Runssometimes · 30/09/2025 12:14

Love4both · 25/09/2025 20:41

Pedestrians are no better when walking in the road with no pavements and have their backs to traffic when the Highway Code says you must face oncoming traffic. This is more important these days with very quiet electric vehicles.

It actually doesn’t say that. There’s no must for pedestrians (apart from not being on motorways), guidance in Rule 2 says to keep to RH side where no pavements but it may be safer to cross road well before a sharp rh bend and to cross back. It’s more nuanced and will depend on conditions.

dynamiccactus · 30/09/2025 10:48

MethusalahsMum · 26/09/2025 07:24

Since when did 'brake checking' other drivers become part of standard driving practice.

Good point about pedestrians walking on non-pavement roads facing the way of oncoming traffic. We were taught this as children. But what is this recent thing of pedestrians walking in the road when there are pavements on both sides of the road? Also so oblivious to traffic. Weird in the centre of residential London.

Runners do it. It drives me mad and I am a runner. Sometimes I am out running with people who stay on the road when I move onto the pavement because a car is coming What is wrong with them?

dynamiccactus · 30/09/2025 10:47

Colourpurplepalette · 26/09/2025 06:38

There’s a nursery near us where parents continually park on the pavements to pick up their little darlings. We go to a (better) nursery beyond this one and have to steer my buggy into the road to get past. God knows what you’d do if you were in a wheelchair. The entitlement is enraging.

I would squeeze my buggy past anyway.

Someone was parked on a pavement near my house a few months ago and accidentally on purpose banged his wing mirror as I walked past. He had the cheek to tell me to look where I was going.

dynamiccactus · 30/09/2025 10:43

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 26/09/2025 18:29

I don't recall ever seeing a roundabout where you would turn right, ie go most of the way round it and use the left hand lane.
If there are such things then this is not what I am referring to, obviously.

Edited

There is one like this at J5 of the M3 as you come off northbound. They tell you to use the right hand lane but then you have to change lanes. If you go in the left hand lane it takes you all the way round to turn right!

dynamiccactus · 30/09/2025 10:41

hindsightisuseful · 24/09/2025 18:23

I do question whether some of the drivers on the road have passed a driving test

It does make you wonder. Just saw someone blatantly go through a red light. Not as it was changing from amber to red but definitely on red.

See pedestrian waiting to cross = put foot to floor even if they are meant to stop at a red light. I give up.

Jux · 29/09/2025 19:02

The lack of indicator-use drives me nuts. I'm on a mobility scooter and drivers just drive at me. I can't just leap onto a pavement either. Sometimes I do have to travel a short distance on the road to get to a dropped kerb (which is another of my bugbears - why do road makers/menders make even the drops a good inch or two above the roads????!!!! I've nearly tipped over so many times.)

Bagsintheboot · 26/09/2025 18:50

Fishplates · 26/09/2025 18:42

You have too much time on your hands - unlike the woman who drove over the centre of the roundabout!

You can throw insults about all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the collision was ultimately caused by your actions.

Fishplates · 26/09/2025 18:42

Bagsintheboot · 26/09/2025 17:19

Yes this is your fault, you made assumptions about another drivers intentions and failed to give way, causing a collision with someone who was already established on the roundabout.

You should only move off if it's clear and safe to do so.

For a different illustration, say I was at a side road waiting to turn onto a main road, and someone is approaching from my right, indicating to turn into the side road I'm in. If I assume that car will definitely turn into the side road and pull out, but they weren't turning, carried straight on, and we collide, then it is absolutely my fault because I have moved into the path of a vehicle established in it's lane.

There are many reasons why indicators don't commit drivers to manoeuvres and why they don't negate your liability, and why you shouldn't assume someone's actions based on their use - they can be wrong, they can be faulty, the driver can see a hazard last minute and have to change course...

We all develop sloppy driving habits and assume others intentions based on indicators, but we shouldn't be. Ultimately I'm afraid you are the one who caused that roundabout collision.

You have too much time on your hands - unlike the woman who drove over the centre of the roundabout!

DappledThings · 26/09/2025 18:38

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 26/09/2025 18:29

I don't recall ever seeing a roundabout where you would turn right, ie go most of the way round it and use the left hand lane.
If there are such things then this is not what I am referring to, obviously.

Edited

There's one near me. As you approach the signs clearly show the right lane is to turn right but the left lane is to go in all three directions. As you enter it from the left lane to turn right the markings take you round to exit into the left lane of the road you are joining.

There's another one which tells you specifically that if you are turning right at that roundabout but left at the next one you should turn onto roundabout 1 in the left lane and exit into the left lane. Loads of people fuck that one up and enter r1 in the right lane then try to switch lanes at the exit and cut me up. Pisses me right off.

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 26/09/2025 18:29

ilovemeahack · 25/09/2025 22:32

There are some roundabouts where you can turn right from the left hand lane. The road
markings usually show it (normally right hand lane is right only and the left hand lane is left, straight on or right). But obviously this is not every roundabout

I don't recall ever seeing a roundabout where you would turn right, ie go most of the way round it and use the left hand lane.
If there are such things then this is not what I am referring to, obviously.

Redpeach · 26/09/2025 17:44

Or is that everyone thinks they're a better driver than everyone else and drives around in a toxic bubble of delusional superiority and misplaced righteous anger, thereby exacerbating the problem

Fionasapples · 26/09/2025 17:23

No.5 especially is prevalent now. I wonder if people don't know who takes priority, or they just don't care.

Bagsintheboot · 26/09/2025 17:19

Fishplates · 26/09/2025 15:02

agree total bloody Wild West on the roads - I got hit on a mini roundabout last year, other car wasn’t indicating right I assumed she was going straight over first exit, nope she drove over the centre of the mini roundabout and hit me.

was my fault apparently - still can’t work that one out……

Yes this is your fault, you made assumptions about another drivers intentions and failed to give way, causing a collision with someone who was already established on the roundabout.

You should only move off if it's clear and safe to do so.

For a different illustration, say I was at a side road waiting to turn onto a main road, and someone is approaching from my right, indicating to turn into the side road I'm in. If I assume that car will definitely turn into the side road and pull out, but they weren't turning, carried straight on, and we collide, then it is absolutely my fault because I have moved into the path of a vehicle established in it's lane.

There are many reasons why indicators don't commit drivers to manoeuvres and why they don't negate your liability, and why you shouldn't assume someone's actions based on their use - they can be wrong, they can be faulty, the driver can see a hazard last minute and have to change course...

We all develop sloppy driving habits and assume others intentions based on indicators, but we shouldn't be. Ultimately I'm afraid you are the one who caused that roundabout collision.

Skodacool · 26/09/2025 16:56

My pet hate if it hasn’t already been mentioned is drivers who don’t slow down at roundabouts. This seemed to start after the covid lockdown when the roads were very quiet. Some drivers actively accelerate rather than easing up to allow a vehicle from their left to take a gap.

Skodacool · 26/09/2025 16:51

vivainsomnia · 24/09/2025 13:22

I agree with all but number 4. The usual signs encourage people to get onto one lane much sooner than just when the lanes merged.

Yes merging sooner means a very slight longer time, depending on how long the queue is, but those who decide to pass everybody queuing are assholes.they don't do it because they like to.folliw the rules, they do it because they have a sense of entitlement and think others should just make way to their more important self.

They are not assholes, the lane is not closed until it is closed. Your attitude causes the queue to be twice as long, (in length, not time). You are ‘one of those’ drivers.

Netcurtainnelly · 26/09/2025 16:15

Lots of people block driveways They don't know what an H bar and/or a dropped kerb means.
Eve when there's a big sign saying access needed at all times, please don't block the drive they still do it.

So yes, yanbu.

Fishplates · 26/09/2025 15:02

agree total bloody Wild West on the roads - I got hit on a mini roundabout last year, other car wasn’t indicating right I assumed she was going straight over first exit, nope she drove over the centre of the mini roundabout and hit me.

was my fault apparently - still can’t work that one out……