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To Stop Generating Taxable Income?

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GabrielsOboe · 23/09/2025 19:11

Quite simply, I am done with being taxed to
death, whilst getting little or nothing in return from
the state.

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Flossflower · 23/09/2025 22:56

EasternStandard · 23/09/2025 22:03

The last budget was said to be a one off tax hike. Why do Reeves and Starmer need more?

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I think they need about 50 billion pounds!!

cupfinalchaos · 23/09/2025 22:55

MaidOfSteel · 23/09/2025 22:40

I imagine the OP wants us to get down on our knees and be thankful to her for paying so massively much in taxes.

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I can’t think of another country where higher rate tax payers are scorned so much. You’d think it would be the opposite!

cupfinalchaos · 23/09/2025 22:53

itsAforapple · 23/09/2025 22:15

You chose to spunk your money on school fees and private health care, that’s on you. Same
as if you choose the Range Rover £100k
car over a £30k fam-a-lam car … there are options.

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Yes we chose to do all that because the other option that we fund via tax is not fit for purpose (excluding schools)

JLou08 · 23/09/2025 22:44

GabrielsOboe · 23/09/2025 19:18

Taxed reserves/savings.

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Go for it. Enjoy your life instead of complaining on MN.

MaidOfSteel · 23/09/2025 22:40

childofthe607080s · 23/09/2025 19:47

Nothing?
no roads? No trained doctors and nurses? No bin collections? No one to look after the poor - you would rather they beg at the bottom of your drive for a scrap of bread?

I imagine the OP wants us to get down on our knees and be thankful to her for paying so massively much in taxes.

NamelessNancy · 23/09/2025 22:24

Reminds me of this poem. I'm really not a poetry person but I bloody love this.

To Stop Generating Taxable Income?
BoxesOnTheWardrobe · 23/09/2025 22:21

Wolfcub · 23/09/2025 19:46

As long as you don’t make use of any services made available through taxation (assuming you earn enough to pay and are choosing not to on principle) then go ahead.

And does the same principle apply to everyone who isn’t a net contributor? So those on top up benefits for example? You’ve tied yourself in knots there.

itsAforapple · 23/09/2025 22:15

cupfinalchaos · 23/09/2025 22:04

This exactly. We don’t benefit hugely from public services.. kids went private, private health as impossible to see a nhs doctor, pay for rubbish collections. All very well people saying what about providing for others but it’s easy to be generous with other people’s money.

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You chose to spunk your money on school fees and private health care, that’s on you. Same
as if you choose the Range Rover £100k
car over a £30k fam-a-lam car … there are options.

WunTooThree · 23/09/2025 22:14

randomchap · 23/09/2025 22:10

But you do benefit from the education and health of others. Without a fit and educated population whatever you do for money would be far harder if not impossible.

It's easy to look at the direct benefit you get from tax, but that's a foolish and simplistic viewpoint and misses a huge amount of what taxes actually do for you indirectly.

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Ha yes. They pay for bin collections? Do they think the bin men were privately educated?

padso · 23/09/2025 22:13

The last budget was said to be a one off tax hike. Why do Reeves and Starmer need more?

You need growth to fund public services. No growth = increased taxes. Add to that an ageing population so even more tax burden

What we desperately need is growth but that's eluded us for nearly 2 decades (the financial crash). Investment helps growth but again we have had years of underinvestment. It's disastrous!

Timeforabitofpeace · 23/09/2025 22:13

Well said @randomchap.

intrepidpanda · 23/09/2025 22:11

Go on to benefits. Nobody can judge if you have already paid for them.

randomchap · 23/09/2025 22:10

cupfinalchaos · 23/09/2025 22:04

This exactly. We don’t benefit hugely from public services.. kids went private, private health as impossible to see a nhs doctor, pay for rubbish collections. All very well people saying what about providing for others but it’s easy to be generous with other people’s money.

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But you do benefit from the education and health of others. Without a fit and educated population whatever you do for money would be far harder if not impossible.

It's easy to look at the direct benefit you get from tax, but that's a foolish and simplistic viewpoint and misses a huge amount of what taxes actually do for you indirectly.

Talkinpeace · 23/09/2025 22:09

Move to Denmark ...
then understand

WunTooThree · 23/09/2025 22:09

cupfinalchaos · 23/09/2025 22:04

This exactly. We don’t benefit hugely from public services.. kids went private, private health as impossible to see a nhs doctor, pay for rubbish collections. All very well people saying what about providing for others but it’s easy to be generous with other people’s money.

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If you don't benefit hugely then good for you. You can get private schools, health insurance etc. But you can't have private police or fire service, or roads, bin emptying etc.
You don't get more out of the state as you don't need it. You are very privileged to be in that position. Some of us are very reliant on it. Don't envy us.

Trafficwardentina · 23/09/2025 22:08

Flossflower · 23/09/2025 21:45

I am a pensioner and I would agree with this. RR needs to raise more money and it should not all come from the working population.

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This was the thinking. Many pensioners know full well more tax needs to be raised and think it’s far fairer that it comes from them rather than their grandchildren.

cupfinalchaos · 23/09/2025 22:04

tara66 · 23/09/2025 21:54

Tax in UK is simply too high. It means there is no incentive to work hard and get a high salary because of rate of tax you have to pay or for that matter save any capital as half the interest earned will soon go to the state in tax. So if you took a bond at 4% interest on any half decent amount you would end up paying half of that in tax. So you take all the risk tying up your money in bonds but the state takes half the benefit, so why bother?

This exactly. We don’t benefit hugely from public services.. kids went private, private health as impossible to see a nhs doctor, pay for rubbish collections. All very well people saying what about providing for others but it’s easy to be generous with other people’s money.

EasternStandard · 23/09/2025 22:03

Flossflower · 23/09/2025 21:45

I am a pensioner and I would agree with this. RR needs to raise more money and it should not all come from the working population.

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The last budget was said to be a one off tax hike. Why do Reeves and Starmer need more?

MyElatedUmberFinch · 23/09/2025 22:02

Kuretake · 23/09/2025 19:20

If you can afford to retire 100% go for it.

I’m retired and pay a lot of tax.

padso · 23/09/2025 22:00

@Flossflower that's great but we need the majority to want it.

Steph888 · 23/09/2025 21:59

Mantari · 23/09/2025 21:07

That is a very sweeping statement. I am not of state pension age, but I do have an occupational pension as well as a part time job. I would be happy to pay an extra 2% tax on both pension and salary.

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Why not make a voluntary payment then?

The government has a website with a link for people to make voluntary additional tax payments. Considering how many people claim they’d be happy to pay more, the reality is that almost nobody does so unless mandated by law.

tara66 · 23/09/2025 21:54

Tax in UK is simply too high. It means there is no incentive to work hard and get a high salary because of rate of tax you have to pay or for that matter save any capital as half the interest earned will soon go to the state in tax. So if you took a bond at 4% interest on any half decent amount you would end up paying half of that in tax. So you take all the risk tying up your money in bonds but the state takes half the benefit, so why bother?

Flossflower · 23/09/2025 21:45

padso · 23/09/2025 21:02

n an interesting webinar re possible budget changes and one mentioned was reducing employee NICs by 2% and increasing the basic rate of income tax by 2% instead. It’s an interesting thing to do as it increases pensioners and landlord’s income tax rates while leaving working people untouched.

Not a bad idea but the pensioners will revolt

I am a pensioner and I would agree with this. RR needs to raise more money and it should not all come from the working population.

Talkinpeace · 23/09/2025 21:34

You should try moving to a true low tax country.

Rural Senegal is good.
No taxes at all
(no services either but Hey !)

Mantari · 23/09/2025 21:30

padso · 23/09/2025 21:25

So why did the government do a U turn and make it so high?
The triple lock should be paused but again no gov will touch that. Imo there would be outrage over reducing employers NICs and increasing income tax. You can disagree of course.

Let's see if it happens. Lots of rumours at the moment.