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Trump on autism

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BeHappySloth · 22/09/2025 21:59

Sorry if there is another thread - I did look.

I mean, wtf??!!

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MrsSkylerWhite · 23/09/2025 10:43

MySweetMaggie · 23/09/2025 09:21

I don't want anyone's children exposed to anything or risking anything. I am looking forward to seeing the results of the scientific studies into causes of autism. However they do those studies I'm sure will be ethical and interesting. I have never been vaccinated for measles, nobody was when I was young, so the majority of us had it at a young age. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just a fact. I'm not saying anyone should have it now, or be exposed to it.

You seem to be trying to accuse me of things or get a gotcha with me. It's strange. I look forward to finding out more about the causes of autism via scientific study. That seems sensible to me.....to you it doesn't. Ok.

How old are you? I’m 61 and I was vaccinated for measles. Everyone I know around my age was. Families leapt on the vaccine because the disease was devastating.

If you have children, did you have them vaccinated?

MySweetMaggie · 23/09/2025 10:41

oneoneone · 23/09/2025 09:56

You do know that he personally makes millions by finding people to sue vaccine manufacturers, right? And he's not giving those millions away to charity.

Who does?

Hoppinggreen · 23/09/2025 10:36

Hellohelga · 23/09/2025 10:21

Are you making a correlation between autism and ending up in prison?

To be fair I think there is a correlation between being unable to cope in mainstream society (eg school) and Autism.
I sit on a PX Panel at a large school and the vast majority of DC that come in front of us have some form of ND.
I can see how an inability to Regulate could lead to them getting into trouble post school as well. Some ND people struggle with work too and others self medicate
All thes things could well lead to ending up in prison for SOME

CheeseNPickle3 · 23/09/2025 10:36

ColdSalads · 23/09/2025 10:18

"Autism is a condition in a state of slow flux. In 2021, a study found a 787% rise in the number of diagnoses between 1998 and 2018 in the UK"

Shouldn't we all be screaming and demanding a real answer to the horrific rise in autism?

Why aren't we?

From the abstract of your study:
"Conclusions
Increases could be due to growth in prevalence or, more likely, increased reporting and application of diagnosis. Rising diagnosis among adults, females and higher functioning individuals suggest augmented recognition underpins these changes."

It would, of course, be a very worrying trend if during that period everybody had been tested at age 5 and there was a 100% reliable diagnostic test. However, we only test people we think might be autistic and the criteria for diagnosis have widened. If you do more tests then you're going to diagnose more people.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 23/09/2025 10:35

ColdSalads · 23/09/2025 10:18

"Autism is a condition in a state of slow flux. In 2021, a study found a 787% rise in the number of diagnoses between 1998 and 2018 in the UK"

Shouldn't we all be screaming and demanding a real answer to the horrific rise in autism?

Why aren't we?

The authors of the paper you linked suggest that the rise is likely due to "increased reporting and application of diagnosis" so we're seeing improved diagnosis, rather than a "horrific rise" in prevalence.

MySweetMaggie · 23/09/2025 10:34

oneoneone · 23/09/2025 10:27

Have you watched his congressional testimony? A lot of it would seem to refute the encyclopaedic memory assertion.

I thought he was great in congress.

Another one who is really interesting is Aaron Siri. So intelligent, focused on truth and speaking for the vaccine injured. These are very brave people. Going against the narrative can be quite dangerous.

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/09/2025 10:34

MySweetMaggie · 23/09/2025 06:16

I think there could be a way to make vaccines safer. There is no incentive right now, as the manufacturers are cannot be sued for injury, so they can make profits and never face consequences. That was decided in 1986.

The polio vaccine has an excellent safety record.

BadAmbassador · 23/09/2025 10:34

Wtf is right. Just when you think he can’t get any worse 🤦🏻‍♀️

JediNinja · 23/09/2025 10:33

I think he wants something from the company that makes Tylenol. And he's forcing their hand. He will half retract this after he's done whatever deal he was after. A bit like the tariffs: make it extreme, make it unsustainable, make them panic, and they will come and negotiate. In a couple of weeks we'll see someone from government saying that although there's a link, it's not a cause, and that they will continue to research it to "fight it back" and "completely get rid of it" and whatever nonsense he makes up. It will get buried in the pile of "we are right but also it depends" and "our own team has discovered other potential links as well and we'll update very very soon". I saw this morning a post on Threads with someone showing other statistics to proof how easy it was to match random items if you are cherry picking stats to make it look like they were connected. The post was about avocado on toast but also showed stats on use of Netflix, number of new breweries and other stuff that had stats overlapping the increase of ASD diagnoses to show how you could basically use random data to make these claims.

SerendipityJane · 23/09/2025 10:33

Given that where Trump clears the path, others follow, what are people thoughts about when this happens in the UK ?

Or, to put it another way, who here can believe the man on the right saying anything other than "You know what Don ? You're pretty much right about everything."

Trump on autism
SkipAd · 23/09/2025 10:32

ColdSalads · 23/09/2025 10:18

"Autism is a condition in a state of slow flux. In 2021, a study found a 787% rise in the number of diagnoses between 1998 and 2018 in the UK"

Shouldn't we all be screaming and demanding a real answer to the horrific rise in autism?

Why aren't we?

A rise in the number of diagnoses.
Does not necessarily mean a rise in the number of people with autism.

Springtimehere · 23/09/2025 10:30

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ColdSalads · 23/09/2025 10:28

sittingonabeach · 23/09/2025 10:24

@ColdSalads what about when a child is diagnosed and whilst going through the assessments many parents go 'ooh if I did that questionnaire I would probably answer the questions the same' or grandad is very similar, or Uncle Bob or Auntie Susan. None of those relatives were diagnosed as a child but probably would be now. Many adults are in fact going for late diagnosis, as they can now see why they have struggled to fit into society.

It's the same with ADHD. I am definitely on a spectrum of some sorts, without doubt, but I still hold down two jobs, look after my son and make the best of things.

With low level autism and ADHD you're basically giving someone a "get out of life free" card.

Look how often it get's used as an excuse on MN "I got accused of racism but I have adhd" being one of the more memorable recent ones.

oneoneone · 23/09/2025 10:27

MySweetMaggie · 23/09/2025 10:26

I find him extremely intelligent and coherent. You honestly think he isn't intelligent? Wow. He has an encyclopaedic memory, for one. And you don't win court cases against some of the biggest companies in the world with low intelligence.

My repetition is just me answering everyone's questions and responding to their arguments against me.

Have you watched his congressional testimony? A lot of it would seem to refute the encyclopaedic memory assertion.

BeHappySloth · 23/09/2025 10:27

ChessorBuckaroo · 23/09/2025 10:25

Kamala Harris was not a legitimate nominee. She was only there as the power hungry Biden had pulled out late, too late to have primaries for a Democratic nominee. Harris was unelectable, that's why Trump "won" (inverted commas as he has nothing to win as it wasn't a contest.)

Harris came 16th in the 2020 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Withdrew_during_the_primaries

She was devoid of any substance.

Biden made her VP as her being 1.younger 2.female 3.black it contrasted with him, an old white man, thus together they could represent a wider demographic for an election to pull in more votes.

Biden's selfishness by not leaving early enough to have a 2024 vote for the Democratic nominee effectively ensured Trump would get reelected as he didn't have an opponent.

Yes racism (especially among the right) is rampant in america (in its first election only white men of property could vote, at the same time in Britain only men of property could vote (no barrier was put on race hence Ignatius Sancho voted in the 1774 and 1780 British general elections), but race is not the reason Harris did not get elected. She was a shocking nominee, an ilegitimate one, who was fast tracked due to a selfish act.

Harris was unelectable but Trump wasn't?

I get that you didn't rate Harris, but can you explain why you think Trump was the more suitable candidate?

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MySweetMaggie · 23/09/2025 10:26

oneoneone · 23/09/2025 10:15

I'm curious, given your repetition on this thread, if you've kept up with the actual news about his actions as HHS Secretary? Have you kept up with the studies that have been cancelled and de-funded? The personnel changes? The quality of the people with whom he has surrounded himself and put into key positions?

Because, genuinely, if you have, I can't begin to understand your apparent faith that they have any interest in a deep dive, clinical study, or have any intention or interest in conducting one.

And you keep saying mainstream media has a narrative about him. With the exception of his brief time leading the cleanup of the Hudson River, he has done nothing praiseworthy in his life, and is now looking the other way while the administration in which he serves weakens every environmental protection that his earlier work was based on promoting.

I would suggest you find the videos of his recent testimony to congress. There are several sessions. He is unprepared, not coherent, not intelligent and blatantly not truthful. His words and actions speak for themselves.

Adding - you keep saying 'in the coming months'. Do you have any understanding of how long it would take to conduct these clinical studies? How do you feel about his cuts to cancer research, including pediatric brain cancer?

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I find him extremely intelligent and coherent. You honestly think he isn't intelligent? Wow. He has an encyclopaedic memory, for one. And you don't win court cases against some of the biggest companies in the world with low intelligence.

My repetition is just me answering everyone's questions and responding to their arguments against me.

BartonInthebeans · 23/09/2025 10:26

If you watch the video of Trump's announcement, he comes across the drug name (acetaminophen) as though he's never seen it before, and has to ask for advice on how to pronounce it.
Possibly not someone we should be crediting with having a great deal of understanding of the drug or anything to do with it, if even the name of it is new information.

The video does make you wonder if someone has added the name to the speech just to highlight that he hasn't a clue what he's spouting off about.

ChessorBuckaroo · 23/09/2025 10:25

BeHappySloth · 23/09/2025 09:35

It's funny, I never see anyone blaming Trump and the Republicans for the fact that Biden was elected, but it is always the fault of the Democrats that we ended up with Trump.

I do think that Kamala Harris being both black and female was a barrier. Nikki Haley faced similar barriers in the race to be the Republican candidate.

It is simply mind blowing to think that the Republicans thought Trump was their best option. But they presumably thought this because they believed that a substantial proportion of the electorate would find his far right rhetoric appealing. And they were right.

The people who voted for him are ultimately responsible. We get the governments we deserve. Sadly, in the case of the US, the rest of the world has to suffer as a result of the decisions taken by far right American voters.

Kamala Harris was not a legitimate nominee. She was only there as the power hungry Biden had pulled out late, too late to have primaries for a Democratic nominee. Harris was unelectable, that's why Trump "won" (inverted commas as he has nothing to win as it wasn't a contest.)

Harris came 16th in the 2020 primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Withdrew_during_the_primaries

She was devoid of any substance.

Biden made her VP as her being 1.younger 2.female 3.black it contrasted with him, an old white man, thus together they could represent a wider demographic for an election to pull in more votes.

Biden's selfishness by not leaving early enough to have a 2024 vote for the Democratic nominee effectively ensured Trump would get reelected as he didn't have an opponent.

Yes racism (especially among the right) is rampant in america (in its first election only white men of property could vote, at the same time in Britain only men of property could vote (no barrier was put on race hence Ignatius Sancho voted in the 1774 and 1780 British general elections), but race is not the reason Harris did not get elected. She was a shocking nominee, an ilegitimate one, who was fast tracked due to a selfish act.

sittingonabeach · 23/09/2025 10:24

@ColdSalads what about when a child is diagnosed and whilst going through the assessments many parents go 'ooh if I did that questionnaire I would probably answer the questions the same' or grandad is very similar, or Uncle Bob or Auntie Susan. None of those relatives were diagnosed as a child but probably would be now. Many adults are in fact going for late diagnosis, as they can now see why they have struggled to fit into society.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 23/09/2025 10:22

DoubleShotEspresso · 22/09/2025 22:03

I look forward to al the big Pharma companies suing the shit out of Trump for this absolute batshit nonsense. The legal potential for all this is very significant, how did his team allow this?

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They won't though bc they are too scared of him.

He is behaving like a dictator and no-one seems to care.

Hellohelga · 23/09/2025 10:21

ExtraOnions · 23/09/2025 08:44

For people who think ND is now over-diagnosed and there was “no problem 20 years ago” etc. I suggest you go look at the Prison service … prisons are rammed packed full of people who were disenfranchised from Education, thrown out of school because the school couldn’t cope, unable to keep a job, unable to regulate emotion etc

Maybe if a few of these people had been properly assessed, and supported, we might have a few less people in prison.

I’m not saying ever prisoner is, but under-diagnosis did not mean that the needs did not exist, it meant that they were badly managed.

Are you making a correlation between autism and ending up in prison?

ColdSalads · 23/09/2025 10:20

Howmanycatsistoomany · 23/09/2025 10:16

Me too but if I was Kimmel I'd have a 10-month long migraine (he won't because he's a good guy and he's got his crew to think about).

Kimmel really isn't a good guy, FFS. Just do some brief research on the utter goon.

sittingonabeach · 23/09/2025 10:20

@Hellohelga school can be a much noisier, over stimulating environment than it used to be. Colourful displays, group work, noisier classrooms, no separate desks. The way lessons are taught. Curriculum overload.

Did those children who were 'slow' get exams, achieve their full potential, or were they just left to get on with it? The meltdown children probably didn't make it to mainstream, either special school (when there more of them) or no school.

x2boys · 23/09/2025 10:19

The man's a Buffoon, he thought covid could be cured by injecting bleach
I honestly don't know why people are taking any notice of him.

ColdSalads · 23/09/2025 10:18

"Autism is a condition in a state of slow flux. In 2021, a study found a 787% rise in the number of diagnoses between 1998 and 2018 in the UK"

Shouldn't we all be screaming and demanding a real answer to the horrific rise in autism?

Why aren't we?

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