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Tried three places for lunch today and none cater for women

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Mrsmunchofmunchington · 22/09/2025 20:10

I went out for lunch today with a friend.
Well, at least we tried to have lunch.
All three places, two pubs and one cafe, were not suitable for women because you needed a penis to get into them or to use the toilet.
We ended up coming back to my home instead.

AIBU to think that everywhere should offer equal service to women?
Or is it my fault for not checking in advance that I could eat there without a penis?
Should I have researched on tripadvisor?
Am I too entitled expecting businesses to ensure non penis having people can pay to eat lunch at their establishment?

Day in the life of a disabled person.

OP posts:
louderthan · 22/09/2025 20:32

That is absolutely shocking and I understand your point about most people not really ‘getting’ accessibility issues.
unfortunately the repeated mention of ‘penis’ has distracted people.
I have a wheelchair-using relative who experiences this regularly when out, she uses AccessAble but it’s not comprehensive by any means.

Caterfly · 22/09/2025 20:32

It really wasn't an illustration of anything. What a ridiculous analogy.

mamagogo1 · 22/09/2025 20:32

I can’t think of a single cafe, coffee shop, pub or restaurant in my town that doesn’t have a disabled toilet, there’s a few shops (listed buildings) where there’s no lift upstairs though. It’s possible though at peak times not to be able to get a table with or without working legs. Even the old coaching inn circa 1650 has disabled access.

Coffeeishot · 22/09/2025 20:30

You really need to be clear op trying to equate 1 with another didn't work and backfired on you, people are now confused.

HollyGolightly4 · 22/09/2025 20:30

Reading your updates- ynbu. If they weren't listed then they're discriminating.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 22/09/2025 20:30

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 22/09/2025 20:21

Penis was just an illustration about needing a specific body part.
In my case today it was working legs.

So you thought let’s have a go at men instead? Badly made point

Mondayblues2 · 22/09/2025 20:30

Can’t work out who does/doesn’t have a penis. Should this matter over lunch though?

soupyspoon · 22/09/2025 20:30

Not every where is going to be accessible to those with disabilities and you also need to say what you mean by disability, now that we've established you mean that, rather than your sex

Do you mean mobility, sight, hearing, MH, ND, etc etc?

LadydeBathe · 22/09/2025 20:29

What are you on about?

Not all venues are accessible, but many, if not most, are.

FirstdatesFred · 22/09/2025 20:29

That must be very frustrating if they had space otherwise.

What was the issue? Step free/wide enough access?

Stuckinarut79 · 22/09/2025 20:28

Accessibility is awful in this country, to live in a world that isn’t ableist and have places really think it through.

JDM625 · 22/09/2025 20:28

Were you trying to be witty OP? I agree that your updates don't make things clearer at all!

I'm sorry you couldn't access the restaurant- but maybe explain why? No ramps, no staff able to assist, listed building???

PinkyFlamingo · 22/09/2025 20:27

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 22/09/2025 20:14

I honestly thought it was clear enough but replace not catering for women with not catering for disabled people.
I substituted women to try and give some insight into the injustice to a wider audience.

Edited

All you did was confuse everyone going on about needing a penis!

Coffeeishot · 22/09/2025 20:27

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 22/09/2025 20:23

And no, none were listed buildings.

So you went to 3 places without a disabled toilet ? Why didn't you just say that small cafes won't most pubs will have to make accommodations .if they are not old.

CinnamonBuns67 · 22/09/2025 20:26

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 22/09/2025 20:14

I honestly thought it was clear enough but replace not catering for women with not catering for disabled people.
I substituted women to try and give some insight into the injustice to a wider audience.

Edited

Then just say it's not wheelchair accessible, most people would know that is an injustice. Say what you mean exactly how you mean it and people will be less confused. If it wasn't for the above explanation that it was not infact your lack of penis that prevented you from eating at places then I would be very confused right now as I take things literally (I actually think you mean exactly what you said) and so will many others here.

Anyhow yanbu I believe all places should cater to all disabilities. They should have had wheelchair access. Sorry you wasn't able to find somewhere suitable OP that must have been incredibly frustrating.

Campbellcarrotsoup · 22/09/2025 20:26

It was hardly the most confusing thread. Thexladt line made it clear.
Yes accessibility is still pretty crap even in supposedly modern buildings from the toilets, to the signage and the card machines and the unnecessary loud music in neighbourhood restaurants.

reversegear · 22/09/2025 20:26

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 22/09/2025 20:19

When people have posted in a straight forward manner about lack of accessibility there have been suggestions of calling ahead, maybe checking with disability organisations.
Well meant but why should we have to?
Imagine the outrage if women had to ask in advance if they could get into a pub or cafe?

Well maybe you dohave too check ahead to avoid trying 3 places and having to go home?

We live in a super old country where there are wonky buildings and steps and all kinds of barriers to entry. It’s shit I do understand but unfortunately calling ahead or checking online is the same for people with allergies, other disabilities and numerous other reasons.

Where are you what city or town? Maybe worth flagging with the local council see if you can make a change for the better, by highlighting the issues.

Thingyfanding · 22/09/2025 20:25

What is your disability?

Lollytea655 · 22/09/2025 20:24

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 22/09/2025 20:19

When people have posted in a straight forward manner about lack of accessibility there have been suggestions of calling ahead, maybe checking with disability organisations.
Well meant but why should we have to?
Imagine the outrage if women had to ask in advance if they could get into a pub or cafe?

The quite obvious difference being that a woman and a man don’t have any actual different accessibility needs, whereas a disabled person does? The two things are not comparable.

Huge difference between “you can’t come in because I don’t like women” and “you physically are unable to enter because your wheelchair does not fit through the door”.

AnneLovesGilbert · 22/09/2025 20:24

Your updates don’t help.

Reanimated · 22/09/2025 20:24

People with allergies or coeliacs have to phone ahead and make sure that the food on the menu is safe and is prepared safely. It's not easy but it isn't on a par with penis exclusivity.

Bagsintheboot · 22/09/2025 20:24

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 22/09/2025 20:19

When people have posted in a straight forward manner about lack of accessibility there have been suggestions of calling ahead, maybe checking with disability organisations.
Well meant but why should we have to?
Imagine the outrage if women had to ask in advance if they could get into a pub or cafe?

The problem is that there are valid exceptions to not providing access / having an accessible toilet, for example where the venue is in a listed building or one where it would be physically impossible to sufficiently alter the building.

You haven't mentioned if the venues you tried to access were possibly in the above categories. I'm sorry you were disappointed however.

Dramatic · 22/09/2025 20:24

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 22/09/2025 20:19

When people have posted in a straight forward manner about lack of accessibility there have been suggestions of calling ahead, maybe checking with disability organisations.
Well meant but why should we have to?
Imagine the outrage if women had to ask in advance if they could get into a pub or cafe?

I understand what you mean but unfortunately not everywhere is able to be made accessible, there are too many old buildings. As someone who is partially sighted I have had to accept that some places are just unsuitable or much harder to navigate for me, quite often to the point where I just don't go.

Coffeeishot · 22/09/2025 20:24

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 22/09/2025 20:21

Penis was just an illustration about needing a specific body part.
In my case today it was working legs.

What?

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/09/2025 20:24

I often go out to eat with other women. I sometimes do it as a lone woman. We've, I've never had to go home because of a lack of penises/ penii(?)Confused

Being a woman is being half of the population. Being a woman is not a disability @Mrsmunchofmunchington.Hmm

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