Tried three places for lunch today and none cater for women

Yes I completely understand what you are saying and can't believe how many people seem to be confused!! It's very obvious. And I'm sorry that happened to you.

I completely understood what you were saying, the last line made it very clear. I don’t really understand why other people didn’t get it.

I also understand your choice of analogy given that most people that use this website are women and therefore would understand the frustration of not being able to do something due to not having a penis (also the use of penis so much added a touch of humour - although that might just be my level of humour showing 🤣)

Anyway, as an able bodied women it perfectly illustrated to me how much work and planning it must take in being a disabled person day to day. It just be really tough and very frustrating for you

Ok, now that I have read the other posts I understand.
You are insane if you were expecting us to infer you were talking about disabled people with such a grotesque metaphor.
Only serving people with penis ...for fuck's sake... 🙄

My point was imagine a world where women cannot routinely turn up and buy lunch where ever. This is in fact normality for many disabled people.

It's not about buying lunch - it was about having a toilet for your needs.
At least that's what I think she means. She can buy and eat lunch but if she needs the toilet, there isn't one suitable.

Why didn't you say that rather than making it about sex?

No idea why if it is not about men the op needed to bring men into it, but not all buildings are physically accessible to everyone so unless men and women physically cant access a building because of their sex then I still have no idea how using men in the op instead of disabled in the first place makes any sense

Why didn't you simply say you went out to find a cafe/pub but none had a toilet that was accessible?

Writing in riddles isn't helpful.

FWIW I live in a small town and there are two pubs. One has not toilet at all that is accessible. There is one loo for the women and one for the men.

I don't know how they 'get away' with that but it's how it is and I assume it's because the building is old (not listed) and there is simply no space to extend the toilets.

If you’d said what you meant I’d definitely have said YANBU.

The penis analogy was just confusing though.

You haven’t overestimated people’s understanding, you’ve overestimated your attempt at posting an analogy.

It’s shite you weren’t able to access these places. It’s unacceptable that you couldn’t. But you have posted about it in an odd way so now your thread is totally swerving the very valid point you wanted to make

What the fuck are you talking about , you need a penis to get into a restaurant ?
Is this some sort of a fucked up joke ? Are you OK or have you been drinking ?
I am just trying to establish whether you may need urgent help.

It’s a ridiculous analogy and just makes the OP look like a goadie poster.

1. Most posters don’t read beyond the OP. So any explanation or discussion would be lost.
2. There was far more risk of this turning into an anti trans discussion and the whole point about disability being lost. In fact I suspect that’s what the OP wanted. She wanted to compare women being discriminated against in terms of the trans community hence why making reference to not being accessible to women,.

And if 50% of the population had that disability then they would be accessible.

How were they unaccessible?
Did the business owners own the buildings?

Yes it's shit that you cannot go everywhere, and we need to support that but your analogy is awful.

metal ramps are actually fairly cheap.
Also, are people or buildings of more value? I’ve encountered some excellent accessibility adaptations in old buildings : recently went round speaker’s house at the Palace of Westminster and visited a tiny cafe in an old building where they brought out a metal ramp so I could get in. It’s more about recognising the need and making the effort.

No. It’s a bad business when two pubs in one town are inaccessible. I do wonder where this is.

Great post. As usual people are frustrated because they don’t like to admit there’s a problem. Of course these places should be accessible to you.

If only this were true. So many places have become inaccessible to me since I became a wheelchair user. It’s not just old buildings ; shops (and houses) have steps, doors which can’t be opened from a wheelchair, narrow aisles not wide enough for my chair, tables I can’t sit at… It’s difficult to appreciate unless you experience it as or with a wheelchair user.

I get it because I am also a wheelchair user.

It really didn't - it was suggesting she was being discriminated against for being a woman.

The point OP is making is that people seem to find it acceptable when it comes to discriminating against disabled people and just one of those things - she is absolutely right that it shouldn't be, the same way it would not be okay if there were multiple food places saying only people with penis' were allowed in to eat or that women might be allowed in but they weren't going to be able to use the toilet as it was only designed for men.

I personally thought the analogy was thought provoking.

Oh, I've just read some of the posts. Excuse me for not understanding, give me the pointy hat and I'll go stand in the corner.

People are being surprisingly thick today. I thought your OP was clear and impactful!

Neither do I, so I didn’t
That’s what op’s ridiculous analogy suggested.

Look, you have my sympathy and as a stick user myself, I do find some toilets difficult. But if I wanted a cryptic conundrum, I'd do the Guardian crossword. If you'd simply said 'There were no accessible toilets in these venues...' and got straight to the point, this post would have had a bigger impact.

How odd that so many posters fail to understand your point. I thought your final sentence made it very clear. It must be very frustrating.
OP has clarified that none of the places in question were listed buildings.

Lots of people need to call ahead, for all sorts of reasons, there’s no shouldn’t about it.

I haven't read the full thread, but how would the restaurant know you don't have a penis? Were they inspecting patrons at the door? Couldn't you just lie, say you are a M-to-F pre-op transperson.

I don't think favouritism is a good use of word to describe the discrimination people with disabilities face every day.