To think criminals are very common?

Not had any trouble.

😂

I’m the same as the OP. Everyone where I come from is either dodgy themselves or knows someone dodgy. DH comes from a nicer area than I do, but his village is the same.

what are your thoughts? I’m sure there are plenty of people who are law abiding and don’t have any law breaking/drug taking friends. Maybe in slightly older age groups? At least, I hope there are.

How do the whiter than white cope in life? FWIW there’s absolutely not a chance on this earth I’d correct for example Tesco on sending me a free online shop by mistake. I’d actually find it more morally inferior TO correct them I’m 99.9% good as gold. I won’t even let DH download a film illegally. I wouldn’t accept a Tesco delivery that wasn’t for me; not because I’d be averse to keeping it, but because I couldn’t be arsed with being asked to pay for it if they came knocking. I can still recognise old bill at 500 paces but I don’t think that ever leaves you. The peace of mind that comes from knowing my house will never be turned over by police is totally worth it.

So the NHS in your area isnt flailing under cuts etc? Ambulances are on time, waiting lists decent, all that? Yes?

I live in a huge city with a massive drug problem.

No one in my extended family or friends have anything to do with drugs.

Well some of it was social deprivation through illness. Which l fit into. I’m not competing for any resources.

Neither are my ndn. Neither is my dd who has a long term disability.

You are pointing out in your link that not all deprivation is economic, then say all of the people includided are competing for resources. It’s not true.

It is ridiculous to say that 100% of people living in cities are related to drugs. I know people who live in cities who would never go near drugs are you including alcohol? In a very specific area of a city the % could be quite high, but every nurse, doctor, policeman, teacher, taxi driver, bus or train driver, building site worker a lot of those professions are randomly drug tested and failing means you get fired, or pregnant women. Or are they all dealing in their spare time?

My ex used to sell cocaine, MDMA and poppers to nice business men with wives and families around Hampstead and Highgate. Their wives had no idea what their Jonty did at work. Literally on his lunch break at work they'd be meeting street dealers so they had some lines for 4pm pub time.

Ive even had 2 dads covertly ask me as a midwife if their secret recreational drug use would have harmed the baby. Both married middle classed white men married to very sensible and nice ladies who probably frequent this site.

Okay so only a third live in a deprived area, but more than half experience one area of deprivation, is that correct?

If so, that's still a shitload of people who are competing for basic resources and explains why so many turn to some form of crime

No i don't because women close to me enabled my sexual abuse so I see women as no less likely to exploit me than I do men. Might just be for different reasons but also sometimes not. Female paedophiles just get off at molesting children too. Sorry if that offends you..

You said’Most of the country lived in areas that are deprived.’

No, they don’t. Most of the country (well 51%) have one measure of deprivation according to your link.

This doesn’t mean they all live in a deprived area, Even though that’s what you said. A1/3 of the country live in a deprived area.

Stop twisting things.

If you think of it like the American system of felony vs misdemeanour a lot of people will know someone who has had a misdemeanour offence e.g speeding or possession for personal use but a lot would not associate with the felon. If you include civil enforcement the numbers would be even bigger with school fines.

As the saying goes - If it’s punishable by a fine it’s only a crime if your poor

Really?! Love to see that link.

Well that’s just weird

I’m h @LoftyRobin you weee the one arguing that you feel no safer in a single space changing room than mixed.

I mean…. On the basis of that alone, I think I’ll just ignore future posts from you. As others have decided to do

This side quest into posters being mortally offended at the implication they might live in deprived areas is peak mumsnet

So you get statistics from the Office of National Satistics, and a mumsnet user rejects these statistics from our national census as nonsense because she doesnt want to believe it. Jesus Christ our world is in a terrible place. No wonder we jave a president who has no issues spreading fake science when our ordinary people reckon they know more than the ONS.

It wasn’t asking about self measurement for a disability

it was asking about health

very different

Being very disabled, especially in this society, is of course an area of deprivation. It doesnt just mean having dinner on the table or a few pounds in your purse. This is how deprivation is measured.

And in fact, people's self reported health is a very good indication of disability because you'll find that many quite profoundly disabled people feel they have good health.

It's okay that you dont understand what deprivation means, but for the purposes of this discussion, so you can make useful contributions, you should go away and learn. GCSE sociology will cover the basics.

One of the measures is

• *health and disability: any person in the household has general health that is “bad” or “very bad” or is identified as disabled*

so absolutely nothing to do with deprivation in the sense that we are discussing here ie poverty, living in a deprived area.

and people self declaring whether their general health is “bad” or “very bad” sounds a little weak for a measurement!

either way @LoftyRobin I have been aware of you on other threads and you’re always arguing on a point that the vast majority are telling you isn’t relevant and you go on and on

so I’ll leave it here

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/householdcharacteristics/homeinternetandsocialmediausage/bulletins/householdandresidentcharacteristicsenglandandwales/census2021

• Over half of households in England and Wales (51.7%, 12.8 million) were deprived in at least one dimension or measure of household deprivation; this number has decreased since 2011, when it was 57.6% (13.5 million).

Yes i already did.

Think it did. 51% is over half.

I'd say I'm a fairly ordinary person (degree educated, now work in the NHS). There are people I know who have:

Dealt drugs/been to prison for it.
Been to jail for assault etc.
Jailed for having indecent pictures of children on their computers.
I know someone who is in jail for murdering her husband.

Often these will be the sons or relatives of other ordinary working people. Person who murdered her husband was very middle class.

I think that where I live other petty crime such as shoplifting etc is rife. And I think you'd be hard pushed to find an area that isn't. We have a huge problem in my area with rural crime such as farm machinery thefts and break ins or people having whole flocks of sheep stolen. Anyone from elsewhere in the country would think I live in a "nice" area but there's a lot of crime happening all the time.

Oh @LoftyRobin your link doesn’t show that most are deprived in one area in the Uk

You are, quite simply, talking out of your bottom.

Can you provide even ONE source that remotely supports this assertion in the UK? Just one will do