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I feel so demoralised

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Middleageddreameresawsss · 22/09/2025 09:09

Ive just read that Nigel Frarage will send back all immigrants and abolish the settled status. We wont be able to stay in the UK unless we earn a high salary and instead be on some sort of renewable status visa.
I was born in the Netherlands. Came to the UK aged 1 year. Mum is Irish. Went to school here, then have been working in the nhs for 30 years. I have settled status but I also have long term cancer so I am a drain on the nhs.
Ill be 59 when he gets into power. I dont know how Ill manage. Im carer for my mum who has dementia and isnt going anywhere soon.

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pointythings · 22/09/2025 12:25

OfKitten · 22/09/2025 09:59

Agree with PP he will say anything, but any reason you don't want to become a UK citizen?

The Dutch government doesn't accept dual nationality. Though if this is brought in, there is provision for an exception in the law. Right now, if I naturalised, I lose my Dutch citizenship. And that price is too high.

SirHumphreyRocks · 22/09/2025 11:57

As somebody who rightly predicted Trump both times when everyone said "never", I am not as certain as some that Reform won't pull off an election victory (although doing my very best to ensure he doesn't). That said, he can say what he likes right now, but the fact is that he couldn't pull any of it off. Reform are big on words, but can't deliver it anyway. Take a look at what they were going to do for the councils they have taken - it's mostly a scandal hit shambles as one after another resigns for one reason or another, and a total inability to actually deliver the "savings" they claimed could be made because they couldn't be made. In a way, I think that having a few years to the next general election may be a good thing because it will give enough time for the idiots who beieve them to see their broken "promises".

padsi1975 · 22/09/2025 11:52

If your Mum is Irish you can get an Irish passport and then you're covered under the common travel area. You wouldn't need citizenship.

shhblackbag · 22/09/2025 11:48

To those who ask, why they never got British passport - some countries don't allow dual citizenship. For some people, the cost is too high. And then, ILR allows flexibility to millions in the global world, also in business.

Yes, this. I left years ago, but this is why I didn't apply for citizenship when living there. Too expensive to apply for/complete. I also couldn't hold dual citizenship at the time.

PandoraSocks · 22/09/2025 11:44

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 11:34

No, it really isn’t.
it remains to be seen if Reform can hold itself together for nearly 4 years.

Plus I truly think if Reform are a real danger by 2029, the majority of the electorate who don't support Reform will vote tactically to keep Farage from no. 10.

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 11:42

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 11:34

No, it really isn’t.
it remains to be seen if Reform can hold itself together for nearly 4 years.

In your opinion - it hasn’t. In mine, it has been a catastrophe. My opinion is just as valid as yours.

Unfortunately Reform may not have to wait that long.

PandoraSocks · 22/09/2025 11:40

LeonMccogh · 22/09/2025 11:36

He can safely say whatever he likes because he’ll never have the chance to implement it. 😂

I really hope you are right, but the polls aren't encouraging right now.

This latest policy is repugnant and designed to appeal to the xenophobes. It would affect some of my family and makes me feel sick.

LeonMccogh · 22/09/2025 11:36

He can safely say whatever he likes because he’ll never have the chance to implement it. 😂

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 11:34

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 11:30

Mass immigration has been disastrous for the UK. A Reform government is a foregone conclusion now, and anyone who thinks otherwise really has their head in the sand.

No, it really isn’t.
it remains to be seen if Reform can hold itself together for nearly 4 years.

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 11:30

Mass immigration has been disastrous for the UK. A Reform government is a foregone conclusion now, and anyone who thinks otherwise really has their head in the sand.

Kavita12 · 22/09/2025 11:23

It's very concerning. There must be like 5+ million people with ILR in the UK and also outside of UK (there are many rich businessmen with IRL who studied here as kids/teenagers and then left, have properties here and visit once a year, planning now to send kids here to unis). Most people with permanent residence have been here for 10+ years, have families and kids who are British. I can imagine that most have worked, esp. in the NHS. Many millions are Europeans with Settles Status - result of Brexit. He would have to abolish Settles Status first, I imagine?
To those who ask, why they never got British passport - some countries don't allow dual citizenship. For some people, the cost is too high. And then, ILR allows flexibility to millions in the global world, also in business.

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 10:56

I admit I don’t know the process but that is a long time, isn’t there a way to get citizenship here?

SkipAd · 22/09/2025 10:55

Please don’t spend any precious time worrying about this.
I can assure you that right now empty vessels are making the most noise.
Many, many British people do not agree with Farage. The next election is four years away, some people will vote reform then, but many of us will NOT.

Middleageddreameresawsss · 22/09/2025 10:50

Thanks. Ill look at British Citizenship. Ive not done it so far in past 6 years as constant chemo has wrecked my brain to recall dates etc.
I think Im just anxious. Ive been deemed non eligible for a cancer drug trial, having to get a new plan, my mum has been diagnosed with dementia and isnt great and Nigel Farage tipped me over the edge today.

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Bumdrops · 22/09/2025 10:49

Oh my goodness, he’s like a pantomime dame, whipping things up with catchphrases and cliches

it’s not going to happen
he’s just riding the wave of frustration about the small boats

ShesTheAlbatross · 22/09/2025 10:46

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 10:34

WTAF?

The GFA is also a thorn in his plan to leave the ECHR. Leaving the ECHR would impact the GFA, potentially leaving it needing renegotiation.

Wexone · 22/09/2025 10:36

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 10:34

WTAF?

Exactly what i said, he is living in cloud cuckoo land

Dolphinnoises · 22/09/2025 10:35

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 22/09/2025 09:12

Hopefully it's all just nonsense said so people will vote for his company or party or whatever it is these days.
I know lots of people in the same situation as you and they wouldn't have the first idea what to do to settle anywhere other than the UK.

Is there any way you could work towards citizenship though if it would put your mind at rest?

As we often say on Mumsnet, when someone tells you who they are, believe them.

Claiming someone probably wouldn’t do their extreme stuff is how the US ended up with Trump

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 10:34

Wexone · 22/09/2025 10:30

According to this he also wants to look at it and
"his party would look to renegotiate the Good Friday Agreement as part of its plan to stop small boat crossings to England."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr74kmkzmpeo

WTAF?

Wexone · 22/09/2025 10:30

SriouslyWhutNow · 22/09/2025 10:07

Sorry for your health. If your mum is Irish you are automatically Irish by descent and under special rules due to the GFA. You must know this?! You are not at any risk from anything unless someone rips up the GFA. Likely it’s all just hot air from NF or his opponents anyway.

According to this he also wants to look at it and
"his party would look to renegotiate the Good Friday Agreement as part of its plan to stop small boat crossings to England."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr74kmkzmpeo

Nigel Farage, who has short grey hair parted to the side speaks at a podium with the words Operation Restoring Justice on it. He is wearing a dark suit, white shirt and red spotted tie.

Reform leader criticised for Good Friday Agreement proposal

The Reform leader said the agreement could be renegotiated if Britain leaves the European Convention on Human Rights.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr74kmkzmpeo

endofthelinefinally · 22/09/2025 10:29

Surely you can get your Irish passport, indefinite leave to remain and apply for British citizenship?

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 10:19

Whatareyoutalkingaboutnow · 22/09/2025 09:57

This man will say anything to appeal to people's concerns over immigration.
Also, the population of this country has for centuries been made up of immigrants from all over. Please don't take what he says as fact. It's nonsense.

This. I’m sorry you’re having to worry about what this self-promoting charlatan is saying at such a difficult time for you.

It won’t happen. Focus on taking care of yourself as best you can.

Crunchingleaf · 22/09/2025 10:17

Legall he can do very little of what he says. However, his words do send out a message to those thinking of immigrating to UK that they aren’t welcome. A reduction in numbers in is probably the most that can be achieved.

If your mother is Irish can you not stay in UK long term. Due to CTA, Irish people aren’t subject to same rules as rest of EU.

Tunacheesequesadilla · 22/09/2025 10:16

Even if he did "send all the immigrants back", you and your mother are entitled to Irish passports so maybe apply for those, if you haven't already. It might give you some peace of mind.

Meadowfinch · 22/09/2025 10:11

Firstly there is no guarantee that Reform will get in.

Even if they do, they've got to get any changes to the law through parliament which will take time. Is Reform likely to last more than one term? Very doubtful.

If they get the laws through, you've been here 30 years and there are at least 5 million people they will need to process before they get to you. There will be ramifications they haven't even considered such as loss of skills, impact on the housing market etc if their daft ideas go ahead.

And you have an Irish mother. I'm sure that entitles you to an Irish passport, which also entitles you to live here under the CTA.

Please don't waste time worrying about it. The chances it will ever affect you are tiny. Good luck with your cancer treatment xx

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