Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

He died less than 2 weeks ago, she’s grieving and I doubt is in a place to really know whether she can forgive her husbands killer. But, these religious types are so caught up in a religious ideology that has told them forgiveness is right, that they say they forgive. Their own feelings are often lost amongst the ideology, and in this case, a political agenda too. It’s very messed up. Someone has been shot and killed, the reality of that is horrendous.

And yet Christian rhetoric is underpinning much policy both domestic and international. And Trump and co are invoking "God / Jesus" at every opportunity. In other words behaving unconstitutionally?

I think Erika Kirk has said that it's not for her to say what his punishment should be, it's up to the state.

The U.S. is not legally or constitutionally a Christian country. Its foundation emphasizes the separation of church and state and prohibits the establishment of a national religion. Christianity just happens to be the more dominant one.

All those Christians in the U.S.A. and their love for guns and the death penalty, what's all that about then. I can't wrap my head around it.

I'm not a Christian even though I was Christened without being asked when I was a baby, but I like to think that Jesus existed and was a profoundly good man. He certainly would not have been in favour of the death penalty, so how do they justify it?

So the US isn't really a Christian country then?

She can’t. The family of the victim can ask for clemency as much as they like, can forgive the murderer if they want. But they cannot influence the sentence.

Fair enough.

So are you. The moment someone disagrees with you on this forum you start spewing venom. People in glass houses.

I was only speaking for myself, not Kirk’s widow. I’d be perfectly happy with the death penalty if someone had murdered my husband and father of my small children.

You don’t sound very well yourself, to be honest. What on earth?

this thread and many of the posts in it, like this one, are shining examples of what Charlie Kirk was trying to challenge respectfully in civilised debate without throwing around crass insults.

But that's not in the spirit of "Christianity" and turning the other cheek now is it?

I certainly wouldn’t. The killer was happy to dish it out, so he shouldn’t have a problem taking it.

Why @aold a self centered, attention seeking narcissist wouldn’t be an enjoyable life partner. Imagine having a different opinion on simple things, let alone more complex views like politics or medical advances.

Okay. Your posts are extreme.
OTOH I deleted Internet accounts before there is so much racist far right poisonous information online.
I'm assuming your DS has been sucked in.
It is having an impact on teenagers, my DD hates Trump, is there anyone you can talk to about your DS? A mentor?
Are you in Ireland.

Oh, I'm sure it was "noteworthy," and I'm sure it was written by professionals.

I'm just saying that it may not be as meaningful or angelically sincere as their fans imagine.

I watched her speech. I thought she was remarkably composed and dignified. I don't share her politics or religious views at all, but I do feel very sorry for her as a young woman who has lost her husband and the father of her young children in an incredibly violent and traumatic way.

As for her husband, I found some of his views abhorrent, but he did not deserve to die for them.

wow. give your head a wobble.

I've just watched some clips of the memorial, I've never seen anything like it. I had a feeling that they were going to try and turn him into some sort of holy figure.

It feels like all sense of proportion has gone. I've never been so glad to live in the U.K.

What? How are you helping your DC? Mine would be banned from the internet.
Who is he being threatened by? What is he expected to do? Have you called the police?
Sounds like he is having a mental health breakdown.

…publicly states that she forgives him.

i feel so sorry for her. She probably has to say she forgives him, or the gun-lobby would be on to her.

Who knows what she thinks privately no one knows. But given his stance on guns, and the money that he must have made from touting those views, I am sure she was put in a position of having to state this.

she is recently bereaved. And has children she has to help through this. She hasn’t had time to know how she feels about the killer yet.

The gun lobby is powerful. More powerful than God!

maybe she forgives the killer because being married to him was difficult?? lets just see how long it takes before she remarries.

How many wanted babies have been miscarried, as is presumably "God's will" ?

How many children have been starved and abused, sometimes by those who officially represent "God's will"?

How many people have died because of the "God given" right to bear arms?

How many women have had to die because of "God's will" denying them medical treatment while pregnant because even an unviable foetus is deemed more important than it's host?

They are stark raving mad! Get your kids off the internet!!!!! Trump is absolutely radicalised. He's barking mad!!!!! theyvegot Tommy robinsons lot beating people up and killing themin the UK, but news wontreport keep your kids away from these people they will ruin their lives. They are hurting people.