Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

No it certainly isn't normal, when she won't have had time to grieve properly and process what happened.

It is possible, yes. I've been able to forgive my F in my heart for sexually abusing me, and my DSis has done that for what he did to her. He’s dead so it makes no difference to him, but it has helped me to come to terms with my past.

But it took years of therapy to get to that point.

It's a good thing she said what she did, as it might calm things down. (Although probably not as Trump is busy ramping up the hate.)

god isn't real and her forgiveness is literally meaningless

@nomas his initial speech was September 12th, a day later it was widely reported that the trans room mate had been cooperating so it seems likely the Governor would have been kept informed. By then the “left leaning” comments had also been reported .

Is this a PR stunt (not necessarily orchestrated by the wife edit: widow Erika Kirk herself) or true forgiveness? Is true forgiveness even possible whilst still being in a state of (presumably) acute grief?

and if this was true forgiveness (and not PR): why not directly address the (presumed) killer? Why the need to publicise this?

Is this what leftism is all about? They accuse us of being hateful but what is this?

This. Just because TRA tend to be left wing...
all big cats are not tigers.

They are just trying to muddy the waters. It’s been known for a while now that the shooter killed Kirk for ‘spreading hate’ and is a gay man with a trans-identified boyfriend. Likely he was radicalized into trans ideology online.

Did he know about his trans boyfriend then? Genuine question, I haven’t looked it up.

And trans ≠ left wing.

They told Kimmel he can come back if he apologises to Charlie Kirk’s family.

Trump has suggested the licenses of TV networks that give him ‘bad publicity” should have their licenses ‘taken away’.

So it clearly is about censorship.

It’s not religion that’s under censorship, it’s challenging the right.

@nomas really? The shooter had a trans boyfriend - I don’t think the Governor of Utah would regard him as “one of us” other than the fact he grew up in Utah.

there’s an unspoken rule that you can’t critique some religions though. The fear isn’t of being doxxed or criticised . The fear is of being permanently cancelled, via murder, like the teacher in France. There have been numerous incidents. What do you think of them? Do you think that’s ok? I wonder why the obvious double standard applies? In the case of Kimmel, ABC seized on a convenient excuse to get rid of a ratings disaster presenter.

^This 100%. Completely hypocrisy, and contrary to the teaching of Jesus.

I’m sorry for your loss.

Really saddens me that some people are still driven to this simply because of who they are. It’s awful.

Your “Hating hate IS hate” is what I consider to be tripe. It shouldn’t be that hard to work out. As for “name calling” - where?

You still haven’t answered why you think I should “question my feelings”, when you yourself said in your very next post “A compromise does not need to be reached in how one person feels about something.”

A minority of idiots doesn’t mean an entire religion is off limits for criticism.

Are you not more concerned about Jimmy Kimmel being censored for comparing Trump to a 4 year old?

I'd have thought that any one with that motive would have taken the stance of 'some people believe this, because of this or that information/evidence. Other people believe that, because of this other information/evidence. Have a good look at both and come to your own conclusion as to what you support'.
Which is the approach I believe should be taken by anyone who is concerned with educating, and needs to teach about the existence of things upon which there is no consensus.
And what divides those who seek to encourage critical thinking from those who seek simply to recruit to their own cause.

Charlie Kirk used his privilege and his platform to spread hate. His wife chose to stand on that platform with him and reap the benefits. That doesn't mean he deserved to be shot, of course. But we can only assume they were cut from the same cloth.

Oh please! From the context of the speech it was clear the governor was gutted it wasn’t a Democrat or Muslim.

I agree that is why he targets them though, but where would you draw the line. Extremists prey on those who they believe they can convince to think the same as them. I totally understand why he targeted them.

My gay friend committed suicide as his family were very religious and he was convinced there was something wrong with him. He wont be the only one. Same for women who have been forced to continue unwanted pregnancies.

The only thing I agreed with him with is the one scientific fact he discussed which is that you cannot biologically change sex so therefore women's rights to single sex spaces should be protected. I dont agree with most his other beliefs re trans people though or basically anything else he stood for.

However I dont need anyone else to agree with me and certainly wouldn't push my views on most people in RL unless asked for my opinion. Within my close family we have debated this and obv on MN its what its here for.

@nomas the clue is in the fact that the governor is the governor of Utah, the state which, indisputably, the shooter hails from. He was quite obviously not speaking of any political affiliation as the shooter was registered as “unaffiliated “.

I want to lock up violent people, all violent people.

I just don’t want to hear you complain, ‘oh, but the prison population is disproportionately black!’ Like who cares, nobody whines that 90%+ of the prison population is male.

(See, and this is how I know you CAN understand the concept of per capita)

not really. Have you heard of the teacher in Batley?
In hiding for nearly 5 years.
Can you imagine this happening if the comments had been about Jesus? No, neither can I.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/31/batley-school-what-teacher-in-hiding-can-tell-us-about-our-failure-to-tackle-intolerance

What have the FBI said? Any links?

No, he didn’t. He used the bits of his ‘debates’ with college kids to make himself look good in videos he called things like ‘Charlie DESTROYS xx college’, ‘Charlie CRUSHES xx college’

It’s all about clicks for him and votes for Trump.

Clicks = votes = 💰💰💰for Charlie