Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

Grow up

And one if the things Trump did on Day 1 was pardon scores of violent criminals.

This is the trouble with religion. People interpret it as they wish. Usually men interpret it in a way that they wish to control women and others more vulnerable. The bible preachers forgiveness. Her and her husband's version of the bible also preaches that homosexuality is wrong, that men are in charge, that women shouldn't have abortions, that a woman's place is at home and much worse. She's merely modeling all those things. As a woman, of course she will be expected to forgive him. She will also be trying to turn him into a Martyre.

I’m not voting who has the best character. One of our best presidents (Clinton) had bad character and one of our worst (Carter) was a very good man.

I prefer someone who will be effective in the direction I want the country to go.

I can’t quite work it out, something just isn’t sitting right about it for me. I just hope she’s not being puppeteered by men who will gain something from her “performative grief” and “forgiveness”.

I didn’t like Kirk or what he stood for at all, but I think the woman should be given the time and space in private to grieve.

It’s not possible for me to comment honestly on this without appearing to be cynical about the sincerity & motivations of a grieving widow. So 🤐

You voted for a rapist in the hope that he would reduce crime?

His policies will directly lead to more crime.

Why is it a competition? 'frothing hysteria'. Wow, nice misogynistic language. 13 year old girls have had and are having double mastectomies in the United States. And as adults, are suing the surgeons that did it. If a person isn't 'frothing' about that child abuse, they are not real living human beings.

School shootings aren't performed by doctors who take an Oath to at first, Do No Harm. So your whataboutery is desperate and ridiculous and an attempt to change the topic. But it won't work.

Why is there suddenly all this frothing hysteria about children supposedly being “mutilated by surgeons,” when the same people stay silent as kids are actually shot dead in their schools and playgrounds? When children are dying in classrooms — nowhere near a doctor — Charlie Kirk shrugs and calls them “collateral damage” for the sacred Second Amendment.

So tell me, what’s the difference? Who is really killing children here? Spoiler: it isn’t doctors, it’s the far-right gun cult Charlie Kirk carries water for. He’ll whip up outrage about imaginary crimes in a hospital, but the moment children are bleeding out on the floor of a school cafeteria, he smirks that it’s the price of “freedom.”

Who did I murder today then?

Who are ‘they’? Why are you hell bent on labelling and pigeon holing people into ‘right’ and ‘left’? The only person gagging for attention and making bizarre unfounded statements is you.

You sound utterly deranged. Time to get off the internet and into the real world.

I’m not sure it was from the heart, though. It all seemed quite performative to me.

The left don’t do debate.
It is ridicule, hate speech and murder as their remit.
The more they realise that no one is taking any notice of them, the more likely they are quick to flip out like a toddler.

But there is still a big issue with police violence against black people. Remember this case?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery

This was a tragic case and I despise all involved.

From what I've seen there is a good chunk of bad policing in USA and the presence of firearms leads to permanent f*ck-ups.

I also believe there is still a heavy slice of people with some ridiculous prejudices who have managed to convince themselves that they are "right" in all decisions. All I can hope is those attitudes continue to die.

I do wonder whether various charities and groups have a vested interest in retaining problem behaviours. I think I'm probably in Denzel W's camp on this one but he and I do have the luxury of a comfortable existence from which to pontificate.

She was doxxed, received death threats, lost her job. Of course she groveled in front of the mob.

What would you do if a strange man threatened you with this:

Before recording me, Christian Cooper yelled out: "If you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it

Very, very inappropriate

It kinda depends on what you mean by debate.

There are debates where you try and come to a common understanding and agreement, and debates where different sides put forward arguments and rebut each other in order to sway an audience to the proposition.

I think the campus debates are a short form of this latter category where hes skilled at ahifting the argument onto a topic that he is strong on - either clever or n cheating according to your view.

The Oxford debates (of which I've only watched clips of him "being destroyed") seem to not even reach this level. He wasn't able to change the topic but mostly because people just read stuff at him from their phones and didn't really wait for an answer or listen to it and then rebut it. It's every bit as useless as writing a long post on here (as I do) and then getting a rubbish/fascist/idiot one-word response.

I much prefer long form debates where people get turns but they seem difficult to monetise i guess.

But, all that said, and regardless of the views expressed by any of them I still think it was a better thing to do than just get into a group and wave placards or go to a debate and just chant endlessly so no-one can hear anything.

We would all do better to talk, and listen.

I have fairly settled views these days, but I do change my mind if presented with good thinking or new facts.

Eh? She admitted to the police there was no aggression and she apologised to the man!

Doctors who help trans kids should face Nuremberg-style trials like Nazi war criminals.

Except he is talking about 'doctors' who abuse, harm, sterilise and mutilate vulnerable children for money. Those 'doctors' are dangerous scum of the worst order and damn right they should Nuremberg-style trials like Nazi war criminals! Any humane, decent human being would agree on that point.

i thought you might bring her up. She was legitimately being threatened by the guy, he went there with dog treats in his pocket to abuse dog walkers (bird watchers can be crazy like that).

There are people who said this guy got aggressive with other dog walkers with unleashed dogs.

www.thefp.com/p/the-real-story-of-the-central-park?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Disney's executives in their meeting did agree with what Kimmel said, but caved to pressure anyway, because the administration can do a lot of damage to broadcasters. Even bloody Ted Cruz has criticised the FCC chair over this blatant censorship.

I haven't seen CK's video, which is as why I asked for an independent link of the incident.
It was embedded in the article of the link i reposted. I hadn't seen it previously so I was curious. If you can't find it I'll see if i can find the direct link - it surprised me how anodyne it was compared to the label.

The black voice is believed more because, as I said, black people are now able to document racist experiences.
Do you mean "more than before" which would be good. Or "more than the white voice" which would be as racist as the 1950s.

I have personal experience of a policeman (lying) being believed over my (true) version at an anti-apartheid demo. So it's a particular beef of mine when preference is automatically given to any group.

You've misunderstood, by fake news I meant that Charlie Kirk lied that this was 'prowling blacks' but it wasn't, it was just a disagreement, with no swearing or violence.
I think, when you've actually watched CKs video, that you'll see that line was pretty much incidental to the discussion in hand.

You may still disagree with the premise of black/white voices (that's fair), or even whether the court of public opinion is inherently dangerous, but I think the only fake part is that quote being used to label the whole discussion.

I know there are a million (edited) clips out there of "CK DESTROYS leftist..." and a fair few of "CK HUMILIATED by...", all for clicks which I hate. But I hate even more when mislabelling is taken as gospel and then used as (erroneous) evidence.

Yeah it’s really weird that.Anyone says anything about another religion and they would be falling over themselves to defend it.
Every day I am beginning to think there are bots on here or plants from various political establishments.
There does not appear to be capacity for rational or civilised
discourse just an attempt to try to railroad any conversation.