Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

@BerylSnowbut everyone looks the other way to some degree. I mean, many of us chat and debate on here but go to work, do our normal jobs, look after our families. At least he was really DOING something. Standing up and talking to people who not only disagreed with him but really and truly hated him, over and over again. He had a vision and belief he wanted to inspire in others, and I don’t agree with everything he said but I think that’s really admirable. And absolutely terrifying and impossible for 99% of people to ever imagine doing. But i think it’s a big thing to hold him accountable for all wrongs inflicted by guns because he is pro guns.

Well, it does. But I can see why you don't want it to make sense!

What on earth are you talking about?

Nothing you’ve said makes the slightest bit of sense.

'Good' is a judgement, and I'm sure we all have a different measure on what is 'good'.

I'm sure Kirk didn't actively go out inciting violence, but he was clearly willing to look the other way if and when it took place. Anti-violence, really?

You said as much in retrospect. It's all a little disingenuous.

What else will you tell us that you were 'joking' about when your hypocrisy is highlighted?

@BerylSnowyes because logically power and freedom trumps everything.
His argument was if we talk then we don’t need to resort to violence. He didn’t condone violence just that it’s the price we pay in todays world. I think he would say to follow the teachings of Christ is the most important thing to give people a moral code/ sense of purpose, and in theory that should equal less violence and shootings.
If his teachings led some people to lead good lives who otherwise wouldn’t have, does that mean he’s also pro-goodness? I don’t think words are literal violence and if they are then are they also literal goodness if they inspire good things..?

Mate. Give up.

It’s like the twilight zone on MN recently. Religious zealots, racism denial and outright lunacy. I truly believe some posters have lost their grip on reality. Thoughts and prayers 😄

Childish insults again. How original.

I’ve explained why. It’s funny to parrot the left’s narrative back to them now the boot’s on the other foot.

But is quoted as saying gun deaths are worth it if it meant holding up the second amendment.

I'm not entirely certain if that qualifies as anti violence.

You don't agree with the phrase, yet use it? So, you don't sctually believe what you are writing here? Do I have that correct?

Americans are pro guns because of the history of their country, because they hold a power that we in this country do not - the country was founded by people fleeing from religious persecution and so the right to bare arms means that you (in theory) hold power, autonomy and in that sense (positive) freedom. To give up guns is to give up that power/ freedom.
It’s a belief that logically makes sense.
Of course, taken to the extreme the constitution contradicts itself because of the clash between positive and negative freedom. But surely people can understand the history and why it is held so fundamental to many Americans? I hate guns and disagree with them overall, but I get it. It’s such a complex thing.
Charlie Kirk was anti-violence though. He didn’t go around shooting people.

You do know this is more to do with socio economics and education than race? You know this, right?

CK should not have been shot. I am sure his wife is sincere in her grief. But if you think this speech was not entirely performative and about protecting the brand, I have a bridge to sell you.

I don’t agree with the phrase, but it was so often used by the left against those they had fired/cancelled/pushed out of public debate, that it’s quite funny to say it now and watch them squirm. They’re getting a taste of their own medicine.

So going into schools and shooting kids is okay then? If someone wants to kill themselves that's that but there are too many shootings everywhere else and mainly innocent victims.
Why does the average Joe and Jane need assault rifles and heavy duty weapons in their homes? I know someone in the Stateswho has enough weapons to start a fucking war! All legal and he thinks it's pkay and right.

Then it's not free speech, is it? That lady over here (UK) spouted some hateful stuff towards immigrants and was then jailed for it.

Is that both freedom of expression, and freedom of expression with consequences?

He was a very good man from what I can see who on the whole wanted to talk and spread a certain message. He was confident, bordering on arrogant and cocky at times which rubbed people up the wrong way. But I don’t believe he was hateful. He had ‘extreme’ views to some, but they were based on moral, religious teachings - eg evangelical Christianity. Not so extreme to others. Mostly based on rationality and reason - eg the abortion debate, so they’re difficult to stomach for many people. But his main message was listen and talk. Unfortunately many people are incapable of that, it seems.

Ah thank you.

Ah that makes a lot of sense. Good luck with your x ray! 😆

You too mate, you too.

Yes you completely nailed that one.

Oh dear 🤣🤣🤣👏