Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

No one mentioned Democrats........Democrat leaning states?
Ok then

Can you quote the post?

Yes, I wish they would go to my home state but I haven’t heard of any widespread action.

Pity, we are the ones who actually voted for it … it’s probably because they are starting in so-called sanctuary states and cities

The poster claimed there was some agenda from the current office towards dem cities because they voted dem as if armed guards were going in for no other reason than they voted dem ignoring the absolute shitshow the dems have made of their cities with their policies. Clear enough for you now?

Upthread Charlie Kirk's views on guns (amongst other things) was described as hate.

Who is accusing who of hate because of their views on guns?

I've missed that bit.

I grew up with a gun in the home (I have no idea where my dad kept it) so it’s completely normal to me. It was a somewhat rural area, no telling when cops would arrive if a home
invasion took place

(and it had happened in my area, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility)

@BerylSnow I am totally anti gun (like most non Americans) but it doesn’t take much effort to see why Americans are so keen on them. Obviously the whole point of the second amendment is to enable citizens to fight back against government tyranny and overreach, then there’s the long tradition of hunting and sporting endeavours. Then there’s the much touted deterrence and defence factor against criminals and finally of course, they see gun ownership as emblematic of liberty.

The US isn’t the only country with widespread gun ownership.

Ok. But no one mentioned Democrats. Only that ICE was brought in Democrat leaning states.

No one is ever going to get rid of guns in the USA. If Sandy hook didn't change minds nothing will.

There is no point in asking what number of deaths are acceptable, the answer is clearly zero.

The right to bare arms is a mainstream position in the USA. Accusing one man of hate for holding a mainstream opinion on this is absurd.

I have and I still don't get your point!

Charlie Kirk's argument.

That's a risk v benefit debate. Surely the benefits of motor vehicles far outweigh the risks.

In your view, what are the benefits of having guns? The risks are obvious.

Read the post I was quoting

That Democrats are not credible on this issue, for one. They have had plenty of chances to show progress on the issue and they have not. Where is the Rudy Giuliani of the left?

This. It's not hard to find the stats to back up this statement. I'm so sick of right wing politicians/media lying and getting away with it.

What's the acceptable figure of road traffic accidents per year or should we ban cars?
What's the acceptable death rate per year for obesity and cancer before we ban processed food?
What's the acceptable death rate per year from alcohol issues before we ban it?

@Poetnojo I travel extensively around the US regularly and you can always immediately identify a red or a blue city from the state of the streets and in particular signs of crime and disorder.

And the point here is what?

No.

Because the acceptable number is as low as you can get it. Like car deaths. How many are acceptable? You could get to zero if you took all cars away, but it’s not a realistic measure, is it?

You do know that the top 10 most violent cities in the US are All Democratic led so it would stand to reason that there should be state sponsored armed guards on the streets.
Thats not an agenda it's a fact.
Where is the agenda?
Just to reiterate every last one of the top ten most violent cities are led by Democrats.
Every.
Last.
One

So, you won't give me your view of an acceptable figure of annual gun deaths?

Surely no-one is surprised by this!

We would have to see what effects mass incarceration, stop and frisk, and stricter standards for gun ownership would be. Personally I feel it would massively cut back on gun deaths, but we will have to see the results

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I agree. I personally find him to be utterly condescending, glib and unlikeable. And that’s without even considering his abhorrent views!