Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

I don't think it's hyperbolic. I think it is true that USA has a major gun problem.

USA 120 guns / 100 people
Falkland Islands 60 guns/ 100 people (most dumped on the ground after the war)
Yemen 52 guns/ 100 people (2nd decade of a civil war)
Everywhere else trails a long way behind.

USA has constitutional right to bear arms - meaning if you have the money and can find one for sale, you are entitled to own a fighter jet. 100's of people own their own tanks.

91% of American citizens want better gun control. Monied interests continue their opposition by buying favour. If you haven't already seen it, this doco is enlightening.
www.buckeyefirearms.org/movie-review-91-documentary-about-guns-america

I think the issue is confiscating unlicensed guns isn't that easy. In a country where the number of guns dwarfs the number of people, guns are going to fall into the wrong hands. That's inevitable.

Confiscate unlicensed guns. Be willing to withstand accusations of ‘racism’. Look at stop and frisk in the 90s—NYC crime went down at a faster rate than other cities. Aggressive policing was the critical factor (in my view anyway)

@MeTooOverHereexamples where he actively spoke in contradiction to Christ’s teachings

I wasn't saying gun ownership was a Christian view. Apologies for the confusion.

It was more mainstream views can also be hateful. Homosexuality was once a crime, slavery was an acceptable norm. Etc, etc.

He was advocating for continuing their cowboy culture where kids get gunned down in schools because there are few controls on who can own what guns, or how many. If he was a serious advocate for the right to bear arms he would adopt a posture where people can have guns if they a) have a reason to and b) can demonstrate mental stability and a history of being law abiding.

Gun ownership is not just a mainstream view amongst christians. I haven't once mentioned Charlie Kirks religion.

I certainly disagree that being gay is sin.

I agree with the fact that it is crazy.

But in a situation where you are not going to get rid of guns what else can you do? Charlie Kirk did not have the power to get rid of guns and his views are fairly mainstream in the USA on this issue.

It's hyperbolic to say that is 'advocating for a cowboy culture where children are gunned down in school!'

I think where he suggested putting armed guards in schools. I know that's probably an acceptable view among gun toting Americans, but to outsiders the thought is just crazy. Well, to this outsider anyway.

To your last point, a mainstream view among Christians is being gay is a sin. That's absolutely hateful. 'Mainstream view' doesn't equal absence of hate.

Thanks, you are entitled to your opinion obviously.

Can you quote where he was 'advocating for a cowboy culture where children are gunned down in school?'

Because I'm not aware that he actually did adovcate for anything of the sort?

Just editing to add I am not pro- gun, I am just not clear that mainstream views should be described as hateful.

No but I think you are.

pathetic, I have two autistic children and they have much better manners that that.

What do you need to do?

We have a licensing system that works well for its purpose. It’s unlicensed guns that are the biggest problem—and you don’t need to change the constitution to do it.

Japan[s population is roughly a third of the US. Their gun deaths are typically in the low teens annually.

Agree. You don't have to remove it, we have plenty of guns in Australia. We just regulate who has them and what sort they can have.
I tried telling them that on Quora and got howled down repeatedly for it. No, Americans must be allowed to have as many guns, of as many types, as they can afford. With no controls at all.

As I said in Australia it is 1 in a million, not 2 in 100,000

Like car deaths. How many are acceptable? You could get to zero if you took all cars away, but it’s not a realistic measure, is it?

The difference being that, while a car can kill or maim when used irresponsibly, it wasn’t designed to do specifically that.

That was my post you quoted. Do you understand how commas and the word “and” work when separating items in a list?

I do not give Kirk much credit for things he has done, but in fairness to him the position he outlined with guns and abortion re the hypothetical about his daughter, at least had the conviction of logical consistency and is the only position that pro gun or absolute anti abortionists can have without being open to cries of hypocrisy.

Any of the other pro gun or anti abortionists who try and dodge the question are being disingenuous so at least his answers are seeing through his views to their logical conclusion and he didn't try to hide or obfuscate or say "I don't deal in hypotheticals" or anything else to avoid acknowledging the pain that his views would require others to go through (and ultimately himself).

They're still appalling views but at least he was acknowledging the logical cost of the views he held.

Gun death by homicide in Vermont, one of the states with relatively high gun ownership rates, is 2 per 100,000.

You actually don’t have to remove gun ownership rights to tackle this problem.

Yes. I'm autistic and I do feel better.

How does that quote demonstrate what you’re saying? Are you unable to read?

Apologise? 😁 For what, exactly?

Erm....sorry?

I haven't said it here yet but I do think his views on gun ownership were hateful.

USA has guns as the leading cause of death in children. He was advocating for a cowboy culture where children are gunned down at school and have to go through intensive in-school training to hopefully survive an active shooter situation. They've even invented backpacks that can double as shields in a shooting.

And his view was also unChristian.

Where are the stats on stop and frisk? Genuinely curious here. Interesting to see how that impacts crime.

Also, how do you get rid of unlicensed guns? Do they not try and do that already?