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Charlie Kirk Eulogy

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MrsSkylerWhite · 21/09/2025 23:06

Thoughts? It made me feel queasy. AIBU?

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MissPoor · 22/09/2025 08:28

Somerford · 22/09/2025 07:24

No

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Fair enough, it’s a little hard to understand your point of view, in that case.

Yelleryeller · 22/09/2025 08:28

TheChoiceWithinDestiny · 22/09/2025 07:02

So you’ll assume she’s an awful person based on what concrete evidence? Rather than facts that she’s clearly not awful - she has forgiven her husbands murderer and expressed she doesn’t want the death penalty for him, she also was pleased there hadn’t been riots or protests in her husband’s name. That’s not an awful person .

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Gosh your bar is on the floor

IWasScaredToBeHeld · 22/09/2025 08:28

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 08:23

If ABC had thought Kimmel worth defending, they would have done so. But they didn’t.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences, right?

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Only if you’re on the left, though. You can spill as much hatred as you like from the right and it be fine.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:26

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 08:23

If ABC had thought Kimmel worth defending, they would have done so. But they didn’t.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences, right?

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Should that not work both ways? Yet it seems anything goes as far as Trump, Vance and indeed Turning Point are concerned. People who have the audacity to put forward a different view are increasingly being silenced or even picked up on the street.
Doesn't that concern you?

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MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:23

aold · 22/09/2025 07:36

the left, especially the hard left, are so entrenched in believing they’re the keepers of all worldly wisdom, their minds are closed to discussion outside of their echo chamber.

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Incidentally, I’m very much a centrist, a typical floating voter. Not signed up to any political party or movement. I decide which way to vote at each election. I have voted for Labour, LibDems and Conservatives over the years. The only decision I’ve made about the next UK election is that I shan’t be voting for Reform.

It isn’t only left-wing people who abhor the extremist views promoted by this man’s organisation.

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GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 08:23

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:09

Trump is closing down tv shows that dare to disagree with or criticise him.
Echo chamber?

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If ABC had thought Kimmel worth defending, they would have done so. But they didn’t.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences, right?

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 22/09/2025 08:18

aold · 22/09/2025 08:15

repeating it doesn’t make it true.

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If Donald did, it would.

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 22/09/2025 08:17

1dayatatime · 22/09/2025 07:27

@MrsSkylerWhite

An interesting post.

So - the basis of hard left wing politics is the view that for someone to get rich someone else has to get poor, or if there is a winner then there must be a loser. Or as Marx put it the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie. That for every oppressed there is an oppressor or ultimately for every good side there is a bad or evil side.

The hard left then use such terms as fascist, Nazi, homophobic, misogynistic, racist, genocidal or whatever trending buzzword against any opposing views to reinforce the narrative of good vs bad.

The thing is @MrsSkylerWhite, I genuinely ask you to reflect for a short moment that regardless of politics that you have reached a point where because you disagree with the "other side" so much that you feel it is morally justified to dismiss or mock the heartbreak and agony of a young widow and two young children who witnessed their husband and father being brutally murdered.

And ask you to reflect that maybe just maybe you have become the "bad guys".

When someone is complicit in attempting so subvert an election, they lose the benefit of appealing to Your-Side/My-Side type arguments. Without fair elections, there aren't sides.

And no, Kirk was not in government, but he was involved in Jan 6 to the extent that he was deposed by the House Select Committee - where he plead the 5th to everything.

If you would take away my voice, I'm not going to temper it.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:16

LactoseTolerant · 22/09/2025 06:44

Just because he got killed it doesn't suddenly make him a good person. Vile people get killed too.

Quite. This attempt to rewrite his history and turn him into some sort of martyr with god on his side is really off.

Someone rightly said his widow’s head must be all over the place. Absolutely. I have little doubt that she is being cynically manipulated by others whose intentions are far from “Christian”.

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aold · 22/09/2025 08:15

IWasScaredToBeHeld · 22/09/2025 08:14

Rubbish.

Trump shuts down anyone that doesn’t agree with him.

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repeating it doesn’t make it true.

IWasScaredToBeHeld · 22/09/2025 08:14

aold · 22/09/2025 08:12

ABC suspended Kimmel and industry people say it was a convenient excuse to get rid of a struggling presenter with very poor ratings.

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Rubbish.

Trump shuts down anyone that doesn’t agree with him.

aold · 22/09/2025 08:12

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:09

Trump is closing down tv shows that dare to disagree with or criticise him.
Echo chamber?

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ABC suspended Kimmel and industry people say it was a convenient excuse to get rid of a struggling presenter with very poor ratings.

itsAforapple · 22/09/2025 08:12

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/09/2025 23:28

Turning off now. Trump appearing. Nauseated enough already.

Made me realise how unsafe the world really is right now, and what a nut the US president really is.

IWasScaredToBeHeld · 22/09/2025 08:10

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:09

Trump is closing down tv shows that dare to disagree with or criticise him.
Echo chamber?

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I honestly sit and chuckle at posters like this. They only see what they want to see!

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MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:09

aold · 22/09/2025 07:36

the left, especially the hard left, are so entrenched in believing they’re the keepers of all worldly wisdom, their minds are closed to discussion outside of their echo chamber.

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Trump is closing down tv shows that dare to disagree with or criticise him.
Echo chamber?

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MrsSkylerWhite · 22/09/2025 08:08

1dayatatime · 22/09/2025 07:27

@MrsSkylerWhite

An interesting post.

So - the basis of hard left wing politics is the view that for someone to get rich someone else has to get poor, or if there is a winner then there must be a loser. Or as Marx put it the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie. That for every oppressed there is an oppressor or ultimately for every good side there is a bad or evil side.

The hard left then use such terms as fascist, Nazi, homophobic, misogynistic, racist, genocidal or whatever trending buzzword against any opposing views to reinforce the narrative of good vs bad.

The thing is @MrsSkylerWhite, I genuinely ask you to reflect for a short moment that regardless of politics that you have reached a point where because you disagree with the "other side" so much that you feel it is morally justified to dismiss or mock the heartbreak and agony of a young widow and two young children who witnessed their husband and father being brutally murdered.

And ask you to reflect that maybe just maybe you have become the "bad guys".

I haven’t mocked his wife. I stated, truthfully, that the man was a racist, misogynistic, homophobe.

That his death - and his widow - is being used so shamefully as political capital by Trump and Vance and that he is being spoken of in almost saintly terms is sickening. His hateful views are being completely rewritten.

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aold · 22/09/2025 07:52

mellongoose · 22/09/2025 07:41

I agree with so many on this thread that people have become so entrenched in their politics that they are becoming rotten with hate from the inside.

We should actively encourage disagreement and diversity of thought and opinions. Explorations of how to improve our society by taking the best of ideas without being held back by dogma.

OP leave her to grieve in her own way. There was no need to start a thread so full of hate. You have encouraged others to articulate similar. It’s not great. Don’t be that person.

best post on this thread.

mellongoose · 22/09/2025 07:41

I agree with so many on this thread that people have become so entrenched in their politics that they are becoming rotten with hate from the inside.

We should actively encourage disagreement and diversity of thought and opinions. Explorations of how to improve our society by taking the best of ideas without being held back by dogma.

OP leave her to grieve in her own way. There was no need to start a thread so full of hate. You have encouraged others to articulate similar. It’s not great. Don’t be that person.

IWasScaredToBeHeld · 22/09/2025 07:37

Bernadinetta · 22/09/2025 07:35

Absolutely bemused by the fireworks going off when Erika, Vance and Trump entered the stage.

They’re turning it into some sort of political campaign. Something is off about the entire thing

aold · 22/09/2025 07:36

1dayatatime · 22/09/2025 07:27

@MrsSkylerWhite

An interesting post.

So - the basis of hard left wing politics is the view that for someone to get rich someone else has to get poor, or if there is a winner then there must be a loser. Or as Marx put it the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie. That for every oppressed there is an oppressor or ultimately for every good side there is a bad or evil side.

The hard left then use such terms as fascist, Nazi, homophobic, misogynistic, racist, genocidal or whatever trending buzzword against any opposing views to reinforce the narrative of good vs bad.

The thing is @MrsSkylerWhite, I genuinely ask you to reflect for a short moment that regardless of politics that you have reached a point where because you disagree with the "other side" so much that you feel it is morally justified to dismiss or mock the heartbreak and agony of a young widow and two young children who witnessed their husband and father being brutally murdered.

And ask you to reflect that maybe just maybe you have become the "bad guys".

the left, especially the hard left, are so entrenched in believing they’re the keepers of all worldly wisdom, their minds are closed to discussion outside of their echo chamber.

Bernadinetta · 22/09/2025 07:35

Absolutely bemused by the fireworks going off when Erika, Vance and Trump entered the stage.

IWasScaredToBeHeld · 22/09/2025 07:33

1dayatatime · 22/09/2025 07:27

@MrsSkylerWhite

An interesting post.

So - the basis of hard left wing politics is the view that for someone to get rich someone else has to get poor, or if there is a winner then there must be a loser. Or as Marx put it the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie. That for every oppressed there is an oppressor or ultimately for every good side there is a bad or evil side.

The hard left then use such terms as fascist, Nazi, homophobic, misogynistic, racist, genocidal or whatever trending buzzword against any opposing views to reinforce the narrative of good vs bad.

The thing is @MrsSkylerWhite, I genuinely ask you to reflect for a short moment that regardless of politics that you have reached a point where because you disagree with the "other side" so much that you feel it is morally justified to dismiss or mock the heartbreak and agony of a young widow and two young children who witnessed their husband and father being brutally murdered.

And ask you to reflect that maybe just maybe you have become the "bad guys".

Because those on the right never do that, do they?

They don’t speculate on the killers of elected officials, suggesting that they were hired by the former president to carry out a hit (oh wait, they did that this summer), they don’t suggest that a man deserved to die because of his skin colour (oh wait, they did that in response to George Floyd’s death), they don’t suggest that the victims of school shootings are a necessity in order to maintain the right to bear arms (oh wait, Kirk did that in response to the Uvalde shooting), they don’t mock widows who say things in grief (oh wait, Trump did https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/shows/top-stories/blog/rcna164738), they don’t make horrible comments about soldiers dying (oh wait, Trump did that too! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41663609?app-referrer=deep-link), they’d never, ever target a grieving widow (OH WAIT, TRUMP DID! https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/19/dingell-trump-attack-family-grieving-087812)

Trump makes callous joke while honoring Corey Comperatore, the man killed at his Butler rally

Near the start of his speech at a rally on Wednesday, Donald Trump spoke about Corey Comperatore, who was killed in a shooting at the former president’s campaign rally last month.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/shows/top-stories/blog/rcna164738

BeCyanSloth · 22/09/2025 07:31

I don’t agree with a lot of things that he said but no one deserves what happened to him and to come on here and criticize his wife is vile she has just lost her husband and two small children have just lost there father unless you have been there you don’t know how you will react
They are probably all still in shock and just trying to keep going but hey yeah let’s kick a woman while she is down getting fed up of this site all people do is slag people off

1dayatatime · 22/09/2025 07:27

@MrsSkylerWhite

An interesting post.

So - the basis of hard left wing politics is the view that for someone to get rich someone else has to get poor, or if there is a winner then there must be a loser. Or as Marx put it the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie. That for every oppressed there is an oppressor or ultimately for every good side there is a bad or evil side.

The hard left then use such terms as fascist, Nazi, homophobic, misogynistic, racist, genocidal or whatever trending buzzword against any opposing views to reinforce the narrative of good vs bad.

The thing is @MrsSkylerWhite, I genuinely ask you to reflect for a short moment that regardless of politics that you have reached a point where because you disagree with the "other side" so much that you feel it is morally justified to dismiss or mock the heartbreak and agony of a young widow and two young children who witnessed their husband and father being brutally murdered.

And ask you to reflect that maybe just maybe you have become the "bad guys".

Somerford · 22/09/2025 07:24

MissPoor · 22/09/2025 06:40

Maybe you could try?

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No