Starmer’s support for Palestine

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You think the Henry Jackson society is credible in their research?

do you even know who they are or funded by?

very convenient of course

No it didn’t

people gave their lives peacefully protesting for the Palestinians rights

these people lived with Palestinians and saw what their life was like

journalists were murdered in cold blood

ever heard of Rachel Corrie?

Tom Hurndall?

Do they sound English enough?

White English peace loving NON Muslims murdered in cold blood over 20 years ago

Do you know how many doctors from around the world have gone out there to Gaza and come out in shock of the atrocities against children?

There have been doctors who have gone to aid in multiple wars around the world,

but they say they have never seen the injuries like the ones on the children of Gaza

There’s doctors that have been going since years
and keep going back
you think they are having a jolly?

have you ever attended a conference where doctors come back and give a first hand report on what they have witnessed first hand and treated there?

No I don’t think you have

this isn’t about religion

this is about humanity

but I guess being an Islamophobic makes people lose their moral compass

It’s quite disturbing that senseless killing of children does not bother some people

we should be able to criticise the genocide in Gaza, the way we criticise the holocaust and other atrocities of history of any faith.

bbc is biased nonsense
most people have figured that out by now
I can find anything online
doesn't make it true
you see what you want to see

You can literally find this information online. I learned about one of the journalists on the BBC news website

I also watched an interview with a journalist from the New York Times who wasn't allowed to report honestly on Gaza because Hamas threatened to harm people (sources) he knew there

Both of these instances predates the war

Research has to be objective. There are no journalists there because Israel is committing a genocide and does not want the world to see. Yet, there is undeniable evidence and it is according to international law.

We all believe what we want to believe. I don’t want to believe this but I can’t deny it. The world watches the horror on social media and there are indisputable witness testimonies and footage. While there is propaganda everywhere, we all have to do our best to realise the truth.

Please read the book. It’s just a history book.

Go and do your research and you'll see

Is that a fact?

Actually the harm and blackmail came from Palestinians in Gaza

The use of the passive voice there suggests that it is something that just happens to them. Israel has murdered hundreds of Palestinian journalists in strategic targeted hits and internationals are banned.

If only. Sadly they tend to get murdered or pressured into not reporting honestly

Facts are not hateful but the subjectivity of our choices in the representation of facts and those we choose to erase or ignore can be interpreted as such. Alongside this I find the demonisation of Islam and constantly conflating it with terror to be a disturbing narrative.

This book is well worth a read but I’m assuming you won’t give it a chance because it might offer a counter narrative, Palestinians have had very little opportunity to provide one.

If only journalists were allowed in.

That's really interesting, thanks for sharing

Just aswell there hasn't been any then

As we both have issues with organised religion I'd guess our concerns are the same or similar. If you want to chat about religion let's start a thread on the right board so we don't derail this one

The trouble is only 1 in 4 UK Muslims believe Israel has the right to exist, only 1 in 4 UK Muslims believe Hamas committed rape and murder on Oct 7th so 3 million Muslims in this country don’t believe these things. About half of UK Muslims side with Hamas over Israel - that’s 2 million Muslims in the UK who support an Islamic terrorist organisation whose stated aim is to destroy Israel. Yes there are lots of Muslims who don’t support these things, but I find the number who do worrying
henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/HJS-Deck-200324-Final.pdf

description of the body carrying out the research for full disclosure en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Jackson_Society

Yes they sure are. Look what happened to Syria when ISIS invaded. They terrorised the local population.

Radical Islam. I would assume peace-loving Muslims are also terrified by it.

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Which parts of Islam specifically do you object to?
I am not a fan of any organised religion but Islam is no better or worse than the others IMO

Nah, the days of namecalling over rightful criticism of aspects of Islam are over. No more hiding behind claims of 'islamaphobia'

Facts aren't hateful either, they're just facts

And if a book only tells one side of the story, what else is it?

Why would you assume that it is propaganda? You haven’t read it. I don’t think your views are balanced at all. Your comments are hateful and Islamophobic.

On the contrary,no was agreeing with @Mihrimah that the conflict didn't start on October 7th

Although if you want to talk about religions evolving, some have. Others still think it's ok for old men to marry 9 year old girls and wage holy wars. The crusades are over, jihads and Intifadas are still going. And if you look at Hamas' charter they clearly state this is a religious battle for them. I'm afraid Gaza is already regressive

So it's just a one sided account then? I prefer more balanced sources than propaganda dressed up as literature, I develop a more rounded view then

The clue is in the title. I learned a lot from this book. It’s excellent. Have you read it?

@PollyPaintsFlowers
And here's a more comprehensive list of the ethnic cleansing and systemic murders including beheading of Jews by Muslims in the Middle East

You have an awful lot of events that happened in African countries and Turkyie, which last I looked are not part of the Middle East.

It’s all awful though, a constant state of persecution. It is by no means ok that any of it happened.

I do wonder what you think when you list events like the Hebron Synagogue converted to a Mosque in 1266 in comparison to the hundreds of mosques and 3 churches completely destroyed by the IDF over the past two years in Gaza?

Many of the items on your list that add up to ethnic cleansing over almost 1,500yrs could also all be listed for Gaza over the past 2 years.

So I do wonder if you agree at least that what is happening in Gaza amounts to ethnic cleansing?