Starmer’s support for Palestine

44% did - that’s not the entire population and it’s not a justification for the mass starvation, death, bombing, and collection punishment happening in Gaza. Children didn’t vote.

How many children have to die before you say it’s enough? You talk about the hostages, but their families are begging Israel to stop and to negotiate a deal. Israel responds by bombing the negotiators.

I am Jewish and thoroughly ashamed of actions being taken in my name. We have been led to believe that Palestinian deaths are inevitable and necessary for Israel’s security. It’s not true. Never again means never again for anyone, including Palestinians.

So that would be the UK government then ?

Are you Jewish? If not, why would you have come across antisemitism? Numbers of Jews in the world are a tiny fraction of the number of muslims - about 15 million Jews to 2 billion muslims. From a purely numbers perspective if you are not Jewish the chance of coming across a Jew, let alone antisemitism, is therefore significantly lower than the chance of witnessing anti-Muslim acts.

Area C isn't governed by the PA. To all intents and purposes it's part of Israel proper.

The consequences of Starmer’s actions will include increased immigration.

No question.

Because they'll never be allowed to go home? Why should they help israel with its ethnic cleansing?What racist excuse did you want to insert?

To those of you who deny anti Semitism....did you see in the news this week the shop in Germany which had a sign on their window saying no Jews allowed....even had the cheek to claim they weren't anti Semitic. What's that about hey?

The UK stats on hate crimes would disprove this and antisemitic crime has soared since 7 october

people were celebrating the atrocities of 7 October on the streets of cities around the world before there had been any retaliation by Israel. I’ll never forget it, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing.

starmer is rewarding terrorism - how can we possibly recognise a state which is governed by terrorists?

@Honesting The only solution ever acceptable to the majority of them was a final solution, ie all of the Levant being a Palestinian state.

I see. Well there was another thread that so many posters overlooked for some reason, so I offer an opportunity to those supporting the Israeli government to comment here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y59z6rznvo.amp
Short version - Israeli minister says that the war on Palestine will end with a "final solution" of "maximum land with minimum Arabs".

Pot,kettle,black? Stated intention to expand across all Palestinian land by any means necessary.

It’s pretty obvious what I am saying and try looking up collective punishment as it’s illegal under international law.

I have. Many times. Sometimes with slurs and epithets, other times with fists. And sometimes with a veneer of respectability, under the pretence of 'just asking questions'.

I'll never accept it. You can't recognise something that doesn't exist.

Nonsense. It is perfectly possible to condemn the Nazi genocide and the killing of Palestinian children at the same time. I cannot understand how anyone can condone the deliberate starvation of children and deliberate action taken to prevent children injured by Israeli soldiers from getting essential medical care.

Me too. But for a poster to claim that the Irish people never voted for the IRA, I would assume she has some knowledge of Irish history, and realise that the IRA were, through Sinn Fein, elected in 1918. An election that resulted in the establishment of a de facto Irish state and the Irish war of independence.

By the OP's logic, anyone recognising Irish statehood is 'rewarding terrorism'.

@Spiritofeden87
Once again conflating Hamas with the children of palestine is grim. The Palestinian people are not terrorists.

What does that even mean? If you're saying that not every single Palestinian is a terrorist, well duh, I don't think anyone thinks that.

But if you somehow want to make a distinction between 'ordinary' Palestinians and Hamas, that would be a very tenuous argument. Almost every single Palestinian terrorist, including the one who shot and killed innocent citizens on the bus a few weeks ago, was an 'ordinary' Palestinian.

You said that “very few people just hate Jews”, the inference being that antisemetism is a very small, minor issue in the world.

Thousands of years of documented human histoty tells a very different story, thus to say that “very few people just hate Jews” is disgusting lies.

Report me.

Antisemitism exists. It would be ridiculous to deny that. However, IRL I haven't come across a single person in my 50 years who has expressed an anti Jewish sentiment (I have seen it online though). I have heard a lot of anti Muslim sentiment though. So I dont think Antisemitism is as widespread as Islamaphobia.

Neither is acceptable IMO.

People predominantly vote Sinn Fein or Unionist parties (I'm from Northern Ireland) here however it doesn't necessarily mean they support terrorism, they are voting closest to their views and tactically voting even though they don't agree with certain stances. At one point I wanted a United Ireland but I didn't want anyone to die to achieve that or undergo any violence. Are you saying because they voted Hamas then their children deserve to be mutilated, starved, orphaned etc? If that's how people think then that is terrifying. 😔

We never stopped negotiating with the two sides in the Irish argument - and one side wanted a united, not separate, land.

People are allowed to have their own opinions. What matters is how they are actioned and many don't action it , even if they would like it. The terrorists do.

The former people deserve to be treated as humans.

The borders of the Palestinian territories are pretty clear, so the borders of a Palestinian state would be similarly clear.

Did you not notice that most of Netanyahu’s current lot are misogynist, racist, homophobic, violent religious ideologues?

Well it depends what the 2 state solution boundaries are. Area c subjects Palestinians to way worse conditions than the settlers. It’s equally disturbing. And the new settlements are illegal.

Most people don't give a stuff about Jews. Or Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Vulcans, Furries or the Easter Bunny. What they do care about is that a nation of 2 million people are being terrorised, starved, displaced, maimed and murdered. If your religion is more important than that you might want to have a word with your god about priorities.

No people don’t hate Jews, they hate the Israeli government. Crying anti-semitism for any judgement against Israel is just an easy way to block valid facts.

Do Hamas want Jewish/Israeli’s destroyed, of course, and thats disgusting! Just like it’s disgusting Israeli Gov wants all the Palestinians dead and buried - we’ve heard some of them say it…

I didn't say there was no anti-semitism at all. But most peoples learn from history and change. Not everyone though. There's a few in the Israeli government who also haven't learned anything from history.

And the next time you call me a liar you will be reported.