Starmer’s support for Palestine

and the faeces smeared across multiple synagogues and Jewish nurseries in London in the last few weeks?

The reality is much darker and harder in my view.

The population of Palestine is deeply radicalised. The polling data on support for Hamas, or other Islamist groups, or for the Oct 7 attacks, or on Jews in general, makes very uncomfortable reading for anyone who wants to draw a clean line between Hamas the baddies and the Palestinian people the goodies. It would be much more confortable for everyone (including me) if that weren’t true. But it is.

That’s not where the dark and hard moral issues end though. Because who can say that they themselves would not also feel like that in the same environment.

What’s the moral and practically correct way to deal with a society of people with deeply ingrained racist supremacist views and murderous intent, who hold those views because that is all they have known and they too are human.

The reality is much darker and harder in my view.

The population of Palestine is deeply radicalised. The polling data on support for Hamas, or other Islamist groups, or for the Oct 7 attacks, or on Jews in general, makes very uncomfortable reading for anyone who wants to draw a clean line between Hamas the baddies and the Palestinian people the goodies. It would be much more confortable for everyone (including me) if that weren’t true. But it is.

That’s not where the dark and hard moral issues end though. Because who can say that they themselves would not also feel like that in the same environment.

What’s the moral and practically correct way to deal with a society of people with deeply ingrained racist supremacist views and murderous intent, who hold those views because that is all they have known and they too are human.

It's a hug mistake. Israel will never get their hostages back now. The UK will be on the hook for £3trillion in reparations. KS is the worst PM we have ever had.

It is really quite outrageous to say that recognising a Palestinian state is incompatible with honouring the holocaust.
I honestly don’t know how it is possible to come to this conclusion.
All the people I know honour the holocaust, the victims of 9/11 and the victims of the genocide in Gaza. To pick and choose is to deny humanity

You said that “very few people just hate Jews”, the inference being that antisemetism is a very small, minor issue in the world.

Thousands of years of documented human histoty tells a very different story, thus to say that “very few people just hate Jews” is disgusting lies.

Report me.

Yes I know- that’s what I mean when I say the Palestinians are treated differently in Area C. But the settlers are given free rein. It’s one of the reasons Starmer has given for recognising palestinian statehood today.

Anyone who supports the Israeli government and then has the audacity to talk about the horrors of the holocaust in the same sentence is a hypocritic of the highest order.

It’s widely known that they were not fair elections.

Once again conflating Hamas with the children of palestine is grim. The Palestinian people are not terrorists.

Jesus. Does it really even need saying.

@Honesting The only solution ever acceptable to the majority of them was a final solution, ie all of the Levant being a Palestinian state.

I see. Well there was another thread that so many posters overlooked for some reason, so I offer an opportunity to those supporting the Israeli government to comment here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y59z6rznvo.amp
Short version - Israeli minister says that the war on Palestine will end with a "final solution" of "maximum land with minimum Arabs".

Pot,kettle,black? Stated intention to expand across all Palestinian land by any means necessary.

What kind of rubbish are you talking?! The Zionist element of Israel literally walked into the homes of Palestinians , kicked them out, shoved them into pockets of land overlooked by armed guards and took target practice at children who threw rocks!
October kidnapping shouldn’t have happened ( How it did under that Iron Dome is anyone’s guess) but to systemically bomb, starve and intentionally kill civilians under the guise that it’s acceptable because of the October kidnappings is beyond comprehension!
And as a black woman whose ancestors were enslaved and also to highlight the black and brown forgotten victims of Hilter- I don’t wanna hear anything from anyone that even attempts to justify Israel’s actions- or labelling anyone who opposes what’s happening as anti semitic - give me a break!

To those of you who deny anti Semitism....did you see in the news this week the shop in Germany which had a sign on their window saying no Jews allowed....even had the cheek to claim they weren't anti Semitic. What's that about hey?

So that would be the UK government then ?

Given that we aren’t in Germany I’m not sure how much control we have over that shop owner’s actions? Shouldn’t be happening though, I don’t disagree there.

Am I alone in seeing this as one of the darkest days in UK history?

Never before did I think I’d end up living under a government who reward terrorism.

Starmer and Labour are grotesque. History will not be kind to them. They have now empowered all terrorists and their supporters.

We deserve such better than this reprehensible government. They disgust me.

Area C isn't governed by the PA. To all intents and purposes it's part of Israel proper.

Antisemitism exists. It would be ridiculous to deny that. However, IRL I haven't come across a single person in my 50 years who has expressed an anti Jewish sentiment (I have seen it online though). I have heard a lot of anti Muslim sentiment though. So I dont think Antisemitism is as widespread as Islamaphobia.

Neither is acceptable IMO.

No, you're not alone.

You'll get a load of crap from posters on here, though, who have fallen hook, line and sinker for the pro-Palestine propaganda, not to mention the anti-semitism.

The truth is Hamas do not want a two-state solution. They have been offered this many times. What they actually want is to murder every Jew and eradicate them from the face of the earth. They have been completely explicit about this.

How anyone can support Hamas is beyond me. Why the hell would you want racist, misogynist, homophobic, violent religious ideologues to have more land and more international support? Fucking stupid, apart from anything else. But they have been really, really good at propagandising and lying.

To those of you who deny anti Semitism....did you see in the news this week the shop in Germany which had a sign on their window saying no Jews allowed....even had the cheek to claim they weren't anti Semitic. What's that about hey?