Starmer’s support for Palestine

@Osmosisfreight. Yes I think there is a portion of Israelis for whom the same could be said. There is no comparison in terms of scale or degree however (eg support for militarist hard-right politicians in Israel vs support for militarist Islamist groups in Gaza) either in the polling or just looking at Israeli vs Gazan society (eg opposition newspapers or pacifist groups on either side. Obviously that’s not surprising because of the penalty for open opposition in either place. Which itself is a chicken-and-egg issue).

this is beyond insulting and you know it.

antisemitism is a scourge that shouldn’t exist. But supporting a state against a genocidal enemy is not antisemitism.

Recognising Palestine as a state is completely wrong. We are basically rewarding them for the October 7th attacks.

Hamas and Palestine aren’t one and the same. Just like everyone in the UK isn’t a labour supporter despite us having a labour government.

The darkest days have been the ones where a literal genocide has taken place. Babies starved to death, tiny children bombed from the fucking skies with nowhere to run. Starmer should have stepped in a long time ago and I’m cross he hasn’t.

Before anyone starts, what happened on 7th October was appalling and vile and I obviously condemn Hamas in the strongest terms. But Palestinian people are not all Hamas. The vast majority just want to live in peace but war criminal Netanyahu is insistent on his ethnic cleansing of the place

There are undoubtedly a few anti-Semites among the marchers. No one is denying anti-Semitism exists.

The majority of the people protesting just want the genocide to stop. No hidden agenda.

It is possible to hate Islamic terrorism and be horrified at what is happening to the Palestinians. The ratio of dead Israelis to dead Palestinians has passed 1:50. It’s not just the bombing, shelling, starving. It’s also the harrying by settlers, the loss
of land. As a non Jew/ non Arab, the feeling that any criticism of Israel will be met by suspicions or accusations of anti semitism, that nothing can be said about it, just adds to the feeling of frustration and anger.

No it isn't. I am absolutely bloody certain that every country is held to the standard of not committing genocide.

Children in Gaza are not starving because of Israel. The food is being allowed into Gaza. The problem is distribution, not supply.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/31/middleeast/gaza-aid-trucks-ransacked-intl

https://www.camera.org/article/where-is-the-food-going-understanding-the-gaza-food-security-situation/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/25/israel-gives-tour-of-un-aid-left-rotting-in-gaza/

YouGov iirc, I'll did it out.

That is a very good point.

But just taking about the UK, 150,000 people marched in London for a violent racist thug whose main driving factor is a hatred of Muslims - thinly veiled as “patriotism”.

Are you including Jewish people that also support Palestine against the genocide?

Trying to compare the practise of slavery to antisemitism is really disingenuous of you. You must know that?

We are fortunately able to rise above our history.

Antisemetism isn’t history. It was only 80 years ago an attempt was made to exterminate every Jewish person from the planet. Living memory for some people. Again, so very, very disingenuous.

If you want to believe that most people hate Jews then you do you, but I literally don't ever come across them.

I didn’t say the majorly of people hate Jews, but it’s certainly not “very few people”. I don’t ever come across racists, but wouldn’t be so naive or ignorant as to deny their existence.

And just to be clear I know lots of Muslims who don't hate Jews and I know lots of Jews who hate what the Israeli government are doing. The world is such a complex place, isn't it?

Does that seem complex to you?

literally nobody said that Jews should get a free pass, nor am I attempting to 'silence the world' through throwing 'antisemitism' at everyone who criticises Israel. However, when Jews speak about antisemitism (see the examples from the NHS Doctor I posted above, or the faeces smeared on the Jewish institutions and nursery), the comments immediately come back that criticism of Israel is not antisemitism.

Just who do you think is promoting terror ? Taking another country by violence, mass killing - genocide
the shame is it took him so long to stand up

Where did you get this statistic?

Only 10% of the country are in favour of this move. I'm with the 90%

"Modern version of hilter"? What an Ignorant, arrogant ,and morally bankrupt statement

But who started it?
Babies burned alive, women had their breasts cut off and were gang raped and tortured.

Do you forget or don't you know?

What a post.

And Israel is now dropping bombs on the Middle East! Surely you can see we are heading to WW3! There are no winners in this! And do you know what Israel are doing to women and children?

Not all criticism of Israel is antisemitic but most of it is because Israel is always held to a higher standard, a double standard, its actions always ascribed to malice rather than rationality and never placed in the context of their commonality with the actions of all/most other countries.

I don't think I can type what I think about this victim blaming comment here.
On October 8th the IDF was still fighting to regain control.

Do you think they could stop killing Israelis then?

Can you say how?