Starmer’s support for Palestine

What a heap of happy horse manure. Of course some people are free and some people aren’t.

I don’t know how you can recognise a state that has elected a terrorist group to ‘government’, has no established borders and is in violation of UN rules.

Additionally Palestine is by UK standards homophobic misogynistic and anti semitic beyond tolerance.

Or you could just reverse that. The Israel does not want a 2 state solution. Netanyahu is only interested in himself. He should be rotting in a cell at the The Hague, and the sign above the door should say Shatilla, Sabra, Bourj El Barrajneh. He will do anything to stay in power. Once you've committed genocide there's no turning back.

@sosorryimnotsorry And Israel’s decades long blockade of Palestine has nothing to do with it

I think you need to study some history of the region.

From 1949 - 1967 Gaza was under the control of Egypt. They were not "blockaded" during that time.
Nasser allowed students to come into Egypt to study at universities there and even offered scholarships for them
Israel took control of Gaza in 1967 as a result of the 6 Day War.
In 2005, under international and domestic pressure, Israel withdrew around 9,000 Israeli settlers and its military forces from Gaza, leaving the enclave to be governed by the Palestinian Authority, which also controlled parts of the occupied West Bank.
That is when Hamas took control.

The West Bank was controlled by Jordan from 1949 -1967 when it was taken over by Israel after the Six Day War.
Unlike any other Arab country to which they fled after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, Palestinian refugees in the West Bank (and on the East Bank) were given Jordanian citizenship on the same basis as existing residents.

So to say they were blockaded for decades is arrant nonsense.

Yeah I have something to tell you about the last 23 months.....

Fitting username.

I'm completely for real. Hamas are genocidal and want the complete extermination of the Jews - they state this openly. Israel, on the other hand, are sending in aid to the Palestinians. They allow Palestinians into their towns and cities and allow them to work and live there. Do you think a Jew could go into Gaza and get a job? You have been duped and lied to, I'm sorry.

You can be Israeli and have this view too look at the conductor Ilan Volkov at the BBC proms and his passionate speech for peace.

I don't hate Jews at all. The Israeli government do not speak on behalf of Jews in general. Nor do they act on behalf of all Jews.

I am critical of the Israeli government because of their extreme violence and killing of thousands of innocent people. Just as I am critical of Hamas for their horrific violence against innocent Israelis.

I don't hold Jews accountable for genocide at the hands of the Israeli government. I do see the Israeli government as responsible for their own actions.

You can’t argue with people like the poster you are replying to, they will never see facts or have any compassion for the Palestinians

Even Donald Trump has said there is "real starvation in Gaza" (and he has benefited from 230 million dollars in support from pro Israel groups ).

Struggling to read so many comments saying it’s not a genocide. Go stand with Trump. Awful

You can be Jewish and have this view. Look at the amount of Jewish scholars protesting against what is happening.

I go on mumsnet as a bit of light relief and I hovered over this for so long before clicking on this chat. It’s depressing.

Where is your humanity.

Here you go - https://www.thejc.com/news/features/october-7-and-the-celebrations-that-followed-on-uk-streets-stirred-our-deepest-demons-vgu97o9o

I remember the celebrations in London and in Australia. They were widely reported at the time.

There's this, too: a

@PurpleChraynmake sure the home you are moving too hasn’t be stolen from it’s actually owners. I know Israel are big on that

You keep living in your bubble sweetheart, I hope it makes you happy

WTAF??? Where the hell did you get that from? If that’s what you took from my post then there really is no helping you!

There's no genocide in Gaza; you have it back to front. Hamas want to eradicate the Jews. The genocide is happening in the same direction it was always happening in.

There's plenty of aid getting into Gaza and if people are starving there, it's because Hamas is stealing aid from the people. They are utterly corrupt.

Do I think Israel is perfect? No, of course not. But I think they have the right to defend themselves and I hope to God they win this war.

I don't understand what your point is. I am literally saying criticism of Israel is not antisemitism.

What I am trying to point out is happening is that when Jews are saying antisemitism is happening, they get thrown back at them that criticism of Israel is not antisemitism. Which is exactly what happened on this thread. I pointed out examples of antisemitism (the comments from the NHS Doctor, the faeces spread on synagogues and a Jewish nursery), this is ignored, and I keep getting the line about criticism of Israel.

I will repeat until I am blue in the face, I don't actually disagree with you on criticism of Israel.

However, when people respond to Jews when they speak about actual incidents of antisemitism (that are NOT criticism of Israel) with the line that criticising Israel is not antisemitism, then yes, that is downplaying and minimising antisemitism.

"Just because Israel has built its self on the history and sympathy given because of those atrocious acts " I don't even know what to say to that.

You know that the vast bulk of the Palestinian Territory is not ruled by Hamas now, right?

Also of course it begs the question - do you think anyone who recognises the Irish state supports the IRA?

@ButtCheekWRONG
people hate Muslims more

Scotland has had a referendum. They voted no.

Ok, so that's a no then 😂

You've got Israeli links of apparent celebration in the West Bank. Not the same.

We totally live in a post truth era.