Starmer’s support for Palestine

The United States has provided over $5.2 billion to Palestinians since 1994, partly directed to Gaza via UNRWA and other channels (which probably explains why UNRWA turned out to be so corrupt). Germany and other EU countries contribute tens of millions annually, especially for "water and infrastructure projects." Guess where the money went?

UN agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza from 2014 to 2020 alone, with $600 million in 2020.

Qatar has provided $1.3 billion since 2012, including $360 million pledged for 2021. Egypt pledged $500 million in 2021 for "reconstruction."

So they are not short of a few bob. They only appear to be skint because instead of investing all that dosh into what they said they wanted the money for, Hamas have spent 20 years building an elaborate network of tunnels from which to destroy Israel. They have only one focus, and that is genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians

It has not been debunked, what utter tosh.

Babies have been deliberately starved. Children have been targeted by snipers. Medical staff, journalists and their families have been been murdered with intent to stifle truth and prevent healthcare. Entire bloodlines have been deliberately wiped. Witness statements and footage given by countless doctors along with actual footage testify the truth and will be evidenced in court - but sadly not soon enough.

And you in the light of this, air the grotesque view that Palestinians should not be having children? What you are saying about ‘these people’ is that they don’t have the right to exist. It’s vile.

You believe it’s acceptable to send tax payers’ billions to Israel to fund this genocide and to encourage and enable illegal settlers to throw Palestinians out of their homes so that the usurpers can start lives in their stolen houses on stolen land? Where is your morality?

You appear to not understand that evidence has been seen by ordinary people on news feeds all over the world and no amount of denial can erase it. It is pointless conversing with you as you clearly live in genocide denying bubble fed by the Israeli propaganda machine.

I am saying that people should not have more children than they can afford to feed and look after'

Are you happy to pay for feckless people in this country that have multiple children when they are on benefits?

In 2025/26, the FCDO (Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office UK) has allocated £24.5 million in bilateral aid for India (this does not include aid through multilateral bodies). India has a Space Programme. I object to that being paid out of my taxes.

Aid to Israel is to help to protect it against the homicidal terrorist group that controls it's neighbour. I think it's money well-spent.

"This in the face of overwhelming evidence, acknowledged globally, that Israel is committing genocide , specifically targeting children and witholding aid including baby formula to deliberately starve the poplulation."

It isn't "acknowledged globally".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-responds-to-banning-baby-formula-and-food-for-children-in-gaza/ar-AA1IvAjM

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-860793

I see you have fallen for the Hamas propaganda. This has now been debunked

www.thejc.com/news/israel/un-chief-who-made-false-claim-about-14-000-babies-dying-doubles-down-on-gaza-starvation-brd16uw1

What a disgusting post. You are actually arguing that Palestinians should not be having children and are starving themselves? This in the face of overwhelming evidence, acknowledged globally, that Israel is committing genocide , specifically targeting children and witholding aid including baby formula to deliberately starve the poplulation. The denial is beyond belief.

‘Why should others foot the bill for their irresponsibility?’

Seriously?

Israel gets billions in foreign aid:

How much aid does the US give to Israel?
Israel has received more foreign aid from the US than any other country since WWII.
Updated October 12, 2023 by the USAFacts team

Anyone who trusts Hamas is a fool. If they make any agreement they will renege when it suits them.

Bridget Phillipson said on ‘Sunday Morning with Trevor Phillips’ that the UK had played a key role in the peace deal.

Sharren Haskel (Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs) has roundly rejected that claim.

Of course any decent person hopes that there will be peace. But I’m afraid I don’t trust Hamas, not one bit.

What on earth are you talking about ??

@Mihrimah

Thank you for posting something that has been reported and documented.

You should back up the lengthy info YOU posted but you couldn’t

Says it all

You could find out the information yourself if you were really interested in the topic.

Cant name any history books still…..

The organisations do sound grand and amount to a whole lot more than some peas and porridge 😂😂😂😂

The organisations you mention sound grand but don't amount to a hill of beans.

The International Court of justice can only advise, it has no power to enforce any rulings. In short a "talking shop" with no legal authority.

Amnesty International is a NGO - non governmental organisation, so ditto.

Human Rights Watch is just a pressure group.

😆😆

I haven’t studied law nor claim to be a lawyer

Apartheid state has been declared by the international Courts of Justice, Amnesty International, Human rights watch, and many many others

Which history books?
Name them

Other than copy and paste lengthy writings throughout this whole thread which is getting quite boring, you haven’t brought anything substantial or documented or proven
which is why I won’t be responding to you anymore @peasporrige

"Apartheid" is such a ridiculous lie. About 20% of Israeli citizens aren't Jewish, they have the same rights as other citizens and are Knesset members, they use all the same services and facilities, they're Israeli! Prior to October 7, many Palestinians had hospital treatment in Israel and charities existed to drive them there from the border and back. Yahya Sinwar had surgery in Israel for a brain tumour while he was a prisoner there.

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms one can make about Israel, as with any country, but this tactic of pulling up established past atrocities like the Holocaust or apartheid and just flinging them at the Jewish state is lazy, dishonest and exploitative. It delegitimises a person's arguments to resort to this kind of thing.

@VaccineSticker "Also- You blame the neighbouring nations for not saving them but you don’t blame the oppressor? Wow."

The day after Israel declared independence in1948, it was attacked and surrounded by the armies of five Arab nations.

Maybe you would like to review your ideas as to who the "oppressor/s was/were ?

Sorry, no can do.

They didn't have tik-tok or YouTube in 1949.

But it's all in the history books for anyone who wants to read it.

and maybe find out what "apartheid" means. It doesn't mean maintaining sensible barriers to protect yourself against psychopaths.

If you want to talk history, maybe look at what happened to the Jews in the Centuries after the colonising Islamic Empire captured Jerusalem.

Because once you open it, all the Palestinians will leave and they will have no right to return to their homeland- this is what happened to the 500,000 palestinian refugees who fled to Lebanon and the other 1million Palestinian refugees in the surrounding nations like Jordan and Syria, they have no right to return and the host nations can’t keep them for various reasons. Lebanon for one, is built on a very fragile balance of Christian and Muslim population, sectarianism was rife couple of decades ago, civil war kicked off because of the Palestinian refugee situation at one point. The area has one of the most complex political situations in the world that I don’t think average jo blogs on the internet gets, but they feel that they can air their opinion regardless.

Also- You blame the neighbouring nations for not saving them but you don’t blame the oppressor? Wow.

Oh my dear God....are you for real? Your ignorance is staggering beyond belief lady!

The Rafah crossing was opened by Israel after the 1979 peace treaty and remained under Israeli control until 2005, when it was transferred to Egyptian, Palestinian Authority, and EU control, giving Palestinians partial control of an international border for the first time.
In 2007, after Hamas seized Gaza, the EU withdrew, and Israel imposed a complete blockade, effectively sealing Gaza. In the same year, Egypt closed the Rafah crossing. Since then, the Rafah crossing has only opened intermittently for Palestinian movement.

Qatar mediated an agreement between Egypt, Israel and Hamas, in coordination with the United States, to allow limited evacuations.

The first group of injured evacuees left through Rafah about three weeks into the war on Nov. 1, followed by the first foreign passport holders.

So blame Hamas for the crossing being shut not Israel.

Israel have always held tight control over Rafah. Even before 7/10, Gazans could only enter/exit via Rafah if Israel permitted it. They would be the ones granting or denying the permits.

Likewise in West Bank, the only border crossing not via Israel is still controlled by Israel and no one can go in or out without Israel's permission. They've currently closed that, trapping the Palestinians.