Starmer’s support for Palestine

Labour, far left marxists?! Are you off your rocker?

No it's not. You can recognise the right for a country to exist without recognising legitimacy of the leaders of said country.

If Palestine doesn't exist then Israel isn't stealing land or displacing/destroying the population of said land as they don't exist and have no rights.

Whats happening in Gaza is genocide. And Israel is committing this genocide.

But that’s not why Starmer has done this. He’s done it because his far left Marxist Labour Party are a bunch of anti semites and like to hide behind Muslims to pretend that they care about Gaza. Most far left Marxists latch onto causes just to get their anti semitism out of their system. Gaza is just a convenient vehicle. What a shame for the people suffering genocide that they are being used by Marxists.

I agree with you. Not a word he now says condemning terrorism or honouring the victims of the Holocaust will be trusted, it'll be just empty words

We have an appeaser and a terrorist sympathiser for a Prime Minister

One does not allow for the other.

So by your thought process one allows for the other.

Yet Hamas is Terrorists organisation and the other a government.

If you are so critical of Hamas as a Terrorists organisation, it would follow from a critical thinking perspective that you would expect a higher level of behaviour from a internationally recognised legitimate government.

If anything it makes it worse that we are watching a government that has been fawned over being allowed to behave like this on a world stage.

Whats happening in Gaza is genocide. And Israel is committing this genocide.

But that’s not why Starmer has done this. He’s done it because his far left Marxist Labour Party are a bunch of anti semites and like to hide behind Muslims to pretend that they care about Gaza. Most far left Marxists latch onto causes just to get their anti semitism out of their system. Gaza is just a convenient vehicle. What a shame for the people suffering genocide that they are being used by Marxists.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o.amp

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

https://theconversation.com/is-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-we-asked-5-legal-and-genocide-experts-how-to-interpret-the-violence-262688

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-say-israel-based-human-rights-groups

But what happens when we have to sit round a table with these people? If we are recognising the existence of a Palestinian state, then surely with that comes the potential for having to sit and discuss issues of global importance with the terrorist leaders? On that basis alone, it was a stupid move by Starmer. Surely the best way would have been to ensure the elimination of Hamas and to move towards putting in a stable government before acknowledging existence.

And again, glossing over Hamas’s part in this and their involvement in what they’ve brought upon their own people, and their continuing betrayal of the Palestinians they claim to be fighting for. I really do despair….

Quit the nonsense about human shields - it doesn’t fly. Israel has flattened the majority of Gaza. Five Hiroshimas worth of explosives. Drone videos on YouTube show the incredible, sickening extent of the devastation. Many in Israel care exactly as much about the lives of innocent Palestinian children as they do about Hamas fighters - ie zero. It will take many decades of even centuries for Gaza to be rebuilt.

As are the Israeli government.

Vile, war criminals responsible for an internationally recognised genocide and responsible for the murder and starvation of innocent men, women and children.

Of course that would only matter to a person if they believed that the the life of Palestines actually mattered.

Anyone who supports the Israeli government and then has the audacity to talk about the horrors of the holocaust in the same sentence is a hypocritic of the highest order.

Unfortunately exactly this.. and only this.

But that’s not in context with the post I was referencing, where it was referenced that of course the UK should accept that unpalatable decisions sometimes have to be made to progress peace, as what was done with th3 Good Friday agreement. My point was that the Northern Ireland peace process was needed to protect our own people. Whether we declare we recognise Palestine as a state means nothing unless Israel and other major global leaders are also in agreement. It’s irrelevant and something we shouldn't interject ourselves into. Free the Israeli hostages - even if dead, so that their families can have closure.

No, you're not alone.

You'll get a load of crap from posters on here, though, who have fallen hook, line and sinker for the pro-Palestine propaganda, not to mention the anti-semitism.

The truth is Hamas do not want a two-state solution. They have been offered this many times. What they actually want is to murder every Jew and eradicate them from the face of the earth. They have been completely explicit about this.

How anyone can support Hamas is beyond me. Why the hell would you want racist, misogynist, homophobic, violent religious ideologues to have more land and more international support? Fucking stupid, apart from anything else. But they have been really, really good at propagandising and lying.

Oh give over. Hamas are internationally recognised as a terrorist organisation. And the difference between how the leadership in Israel and in Palestine look after their own people is worlds apart. Hamas brought the hell upon their own people over the past 2 years, resulting in the deaths of thousands of Palestinians. They use the Palestinians as human shields. They intercept aid to sell on to line the pockets of their fat cat leaders, obviously stationed elsewhere in another country to protect their own skins. They’re a vile regime who don’t deserve to be given any credibility for what they’ve done, and continue to do.

The simples part of it is that you still only care about one side.
You can only quibble about genocide.

You seem to lack the humanity to recognise there are other people who are suffering in this war.

Your "non-agenda" is partisan, not for the words you use, but for the scope you care aboit

But what happens when we have to sit round a table with these people? If we are recognising the existence of a Palestinian state, then surely with that comes the potential for having to sit and discuss issues of global importance with the terrorist leaders? On that basis alone, it was a stupid move by Starmer. Surely the best way would have been to ensure the elimination of Hamas and to move towards putting in a stable government before acknowledging existence.

@ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit "As a result, I believe Britain has some level of duty to all of the current occupants of the region, and to do all it reasonably can to advance their mutual wellbeing."

Well "Palestinians" didn't exist as a named people until they were given the title by Yasser Arafat. (who incidentally was Egyptian)Prior to that they were called "Arabs"

Even PLO leader Yasser Arafat admits as much in his authorized biography:
“If there is any such thing as a Palestinian people, it is I, Yasser Arafat, who created them.”

As Arab historian Abd Al-Ghani Salameh says, in 1917, “there was nothing called a Palestinian people.”

In 1937, a local Arab leader told the Palestine Royal Commission, “There is no such country [as Palestine]. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented! Our country for centuries was part of Syria.”

Oh give over. Hamas are internationally recognised as a terrorist organisation. And the difference between how the leadership in Israel and in Palestine look after their own people is worlds apart. Hamas brought the hell upon their own people over the past 2 years, resulting in the deaths of thousands of Palestinians. They use the Palestinians as human shields. They intercept aid to sell on to line the pockets of their fat cat leaders, obviously stationed elsewhere in another country to protect their own skins. They’re a vile regime who don’t deserve to be given any credibility for what they’ve done, and continue to do.