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CurlewKate · 2025-09-21T13:14:30+00:00

……left leaning or right leaning? I think it is more right leaning-AIBU?

YesImaman1100 · 21/09/2025 18:05

oneoneone · 21/09/2025 18:02

Of course you're allowed an opinion, but are you saying if someone disagrees with it they're the 'wokerati'? So, it's ok for you to label their (opposing) opinion as 'wokerati' but not for them to label yours as 'far right'? Seems a bit inconsistent.

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I was generalising, and I didn't say that.

It's not as if the EDL are going to suggest I am far right if I disagree with the lefties, is it?

childofthe607080s · 21/09/2025 18:03

I do think it’s a little sad when people fall back on “you are left/right wing “ rather than discussing the point / it’s short hand for “I ain’t going to listen” which is pretty sad for a discussion based forum

oneoneone · 21/09/2025 18:02

YesImaman1100 · 21/09/2025 17:57

That's the issue, if you don't agree with the wokerati, you are immediately labelled 'far-right' - people aren't allowed an opinion.

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Of course you're allowed an opinion, but are you saying if someone disagrees with it they're the 'wokerati'? So, it's ok for you to label their (opposing) opinion as 'wokerati' but not for them to label yours as 'far right'? Seems a bit inconsistent.

childofthe607080s · 21/09/2025 18:01

Isn’t flag flying more a right wing thing and taking them down a left wing one?

LarkspurLane · 21/09/2025 18:00

Left-leaning but there seems to be a lot more arguing and throwing in of "woke" on threads that are nothing to do with politics.
Much as I hate/d Brexit, the forum was good in those days for remain support, these days there's a lot of insult throwing and lack of respect generally.
I tell myself every week not to open political threads but I keep getting pulled back in.

YesImaman1100 · 21/09/2025 17:57

EmeraldShamrock000 · 21/09/2025 14:22

Previously left, now centre, inching towards right.
People don't hold back on an anonymous forum.
In RL, I'm sure they sit centre/left for fear of being labelled far right.

That's the issue, if you don't agree with the wokerati, you are immediately labelled 'far-right' - people aren't allowed an opinion.

suggestionsplease1 · 21/09/2025 17:57

GreatWhiteWail · 21/09/2025 17:46

Right, well let's work out where we each diverge into our different "wings".

Should women's sport be solely female-sexed humans, or not?

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Is giving instructions to FWR readers about how to more successfully deface pride / rainbow symbols right wing or not?

Or lamenting and ridiculing that the police got involved when people ripped down pride flags ahead of the march?

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CurlewKate · 21/09/2025 17:55

I’m sitting on my hands to stop myself joining in the discussion-but I do have to add some clarification about the thread about gay men and surrogacy. I am PRETTY sure the OP did not mean it to be homophobic- she was, I think, clumsily, saying that the fact that some gay men are being very public and joyful about their children by surrogate makes it very hard to be unhappy about the process without sounding as if you are targeting gay men specifically. At least, I think that’s what she meant.

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oneoneone · 21/09/2025 17:53

ladybirdsanchez · 21/09/2025 17:42

I think MN is overall as leftie as it always was. What has changed is that people with more right-wing views now know that they aren't alone and so they feel they can put their heads above the parapet and voice views that they wouldn't have done so before.

But if someone holds a view, why not stand up for it, popular or not? I don't really understand that mind set. It's the internet, it's anonymous. If you believe something and feel morally comfortable with that belief, why not defend it?

twistyizzy · 21/09/2025 17:51

CreamBeforeJamOnScones · 21/09/2025 17:50

I heard Justine Mumsnet on Times Radio earlier this month telling Stig of the % of MNers who say they would vote Reform.

It was quite high, 25%ish I recall, and I thought ugh.

Definitely more bigoted views on here in last year or so. I no longer think of MN as fondly as I used to.

Why? Just because some people have a different view to yourself?

CreamBeforeJamOnScones · 21/09/2025 17:50

I heard Justine Mumsnet on Times Radio earlier this month telling Stig of the % of MNers who say they would vote Reform.

It was quite high, 25%ish I recall, and I thought ugh.

Definitely more bigoted views on here in last year or so. I no longer think of MN as fondly as I used to.

GreatWhiteWail · 21/09/2025 17:46

suggestionsplease1 · 21/09/2025 17:34

Actually I think you'll find that attacking vulnerable minorities out of a stated position of 'protecting women and children' is a fairly well-known right wing trope.

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Right, well let's work out where we each diverge into our different "wings".

Should women's sport be solely female-sexed humans, or not?

ladybirdsanchez · 21/09/2025 17:42

I think MN is overall as leftie as it always was. What has changed is that people with more right-wing views now know that they aren't alone and so they feel they can put their heads above the parapet and voice views that they wouldn't have done so before.

childofthe607080s · 21/09/2025 17:37

Surrogacy is the problem / nothing to do with gay rights as such and everything to do with using a female body , putting it at risk - certainly surrogacy makes me feel very uncomfortable, just like prostitution makes me very uncomfortable. selling your body feels beyond sad

GreatWhiteWail · 21/09/2025 17:35

suggestionsplease1 · 21/09/2025 17:29

And yet it regularly has threads and posters disparaging pride and rainbow flags and recently has a thread targeting gay men who use surrogacy to have families ( ie not surrogacy in general just gay men). Which all oddly reminiscent if right wing tendencies, aren't they? Putin would be proud.

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You are just illustrating that you don't understand a) what they are saying, and b) that you don't know what left-wing actually means (hint: it's not gay men getting to pay loads of money to lawyers and agencies so that a poorer woman will risk her health to gestate her baby then give it to them)

suggestionsplease1 · 21/09/2025 17:34

GreatWhiteWail · 21/09/2025 17:32

Not putting men first is "right wing" in this new world.

Whereas on any objective measure, protecting the provisions women and children depend on for their safety, dignity and fairness is the left wing position.

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Actually I think you'll find that attacking vulnerable minorities out of a stated position of 'protecting women and children' is a fairly well-known right wing trope.

twistyizzy · 21/09/2025 17:33

ThatCyanCat · 21/09/2025 17:01

You're entitled to think MN leans to the extreme far right but I've no idea why you would.

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Because anyone who disagrees with them is automatically far right

GreatWhiteWail · 21/09/2025 17:32

lnks · 21/09/2025 17:19

I would question the reading comprehension of anyone who think FWR is right wing.

Not putting men first is "right wing" in this new world.

Whereas on any objective measure, protecting the provisions women and children depend on for their safety, dignity and fairness is the left wing position.

suggestionsplease1 · 21/09/2025 17:29

lnks · 21/09/2025 17:19

I would question the reading comprehension of anyone who think FWR is right wing.

And yet it regularly has threads and posters disparaging pride and rainbow flags and recently has a thread targeting gay men who use surrogacy to have families ( ie not surrogacy in general just gay men). Which all oddly reminiscent if right wing tendencies, aren't they? Putin would be proud.

hadjustaboutenough · 21/09/2025 17:28

I think that more people are moving to the right, but it still feels far more left-leaning on MN. People may be becoming more likely to speak their right-leaning opinions because they either sense a shift or have had all they can take and are throwing caution to the wind, but I think the average left-leaning person still feels more comfortable voicing their views without fear of insult, anger, or dismissal, so that may give a false impression.

lnks · 21/09/2025 17:19

I would question the reading comprehension of anyone who think FWR is right wing.

ThatCyanCat · 21/09/2025 17:17

EchoedSilence · 21/09/2025 17:04

FWR has definitely moved to the Right.

How so?

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CurlewKate · 21/09/2025 17:17

twistyizzy · 21/09/2025 15:45

Why are you asking? Seems a rather goady Q tbh

Don’t understand-what do you mean?

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LlttledrummergirI · 21/09/2025 17:16

I would say mainly centrist to left, but with an influx of right wing visitors that post a lot and leave/name change regularly.

GreatWhiteWail · 21/09/2025 17:16

EchoedSilence · 21/09/2025 17:04

FWR has definitely moved to the Right.

I think FWR shows how many people who describe themselves as left-wing are very immature and (accidentally?) right-wing in their thinking.