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Update on Unpleasant Altercation

86 replies

zerofeeling · 20/09/2025 21:33

Original thread from July https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5366159-unpleasant-altercation-who-was-the-most-unreasonable

TL:DR - I was harassed by a off duty police officer after a minor traffic incident in an isolated area. He abused his position to look up my address details and generate an official form which he hand delivered to our house. He followed this up a couple of weeks later by making an unauthorised visit to our house. I made an official complaint via 101.

A couple of the supportive posters asked if I could update at some point so I wanted to do that, I also wanted people to know that the Police genuinely are trying to deal with their 'bad apples'.

Professional Standards have now told me that the officer involved in the incident is being taken to a Misconduct Tribunal (probably won't happen til early next year) meanwhile he's been removed from all public-facing duties. The other off duty officer who was with him has been given a disciplinary on his record.

Thanks to everyone who gave advice and supportive posts. 😊

OP posts:
PearlCluches · 21/09/2025 10:10

How did they actually identify the two off duty officers anyway?

PearlCluches · 21/09/2025 10:08

Sharptonguedwoman · 21/09/2025 09:20

I think if he has accessed the police database for personal matters, the OP isn't the problem. His behaviour becomes the problem.

Yes but he might be able to twist this. OP has no witnesses but he does have a witness who we can bet will back him up. I just worry they might deem him not to have accessed the database inappropriately if he can convince the standards board that he had legitimate reasons for doing it. As I said, it may be wise to await the outcome before cracking the Champagne open.

zerofeeling · 21/09/2025 10:02

Larrypitt · 21/09/2025 09:54

As I’ve already said, I’m not defending the awful police officers.

OP never said she knew she had driven over a piece of large debris. She said she checked the front of their car, not the underneath (and if it was me, I wouldn't even know what to look for underneath, to prove I hadn’t caused any damage by e.g. something getting bent/knocked out of place).

No point in replaying the "should/shouldn’t have given details" disagreement of OP's first thread, but imo it’s not as clear-cut as some are making out.

Edited

The points you're missing are:

  1. I didn't want to give him any personal details because of his behaviour. If he'd behaved normally I wouldn't have minded
  2. He kept saying that it was irrelevant if there was any damage, I still had a duty under the law to report it.

Btw, despite having all the necessary details he has never put in an insurance claim.

OP posts:
fivefoottwowitheyesofblue · 21/09/2025 09:58

@zerofeeling wow. I have the utmost respect for you keeping your cool on the other thread - there were some bstshit responses on there!
Well done for seeing this through, he deserves the consequences of his actions.

@DCorMe have you seen this update? As a female police officer who defended his actions, what is your response now?

@SoMuchBadAdvice please read this update.

Larrypitt · 21/09/2025 09:54

176509user · 21/09/2025 09:41

I wouldn’t be giving out my insurance details if my car hit something underside . OP said she checked her car and theirs.
If I drive over a bit of large debris and person in neighbouring car assumes I've hit his car, it’s really none of his business to have my insurance details.

That aside, the officers were obviously enjoying intimidating the OP.

As I’ve already said, I’m not defending the awful police officers.

OP never said she knew she had driven over a piece of large debris. She said she checked the front of their car, not the underneath (and if it was me, I wouldn't even know what to look for underneath, to prove I hadn’t caused any damage by e.g. something getting bent/knocked out of place).

No point in replaying the "should/shouldn’t have given details" disagreement of OP's first thread, but imo it’s not as clear-cut as some are making out.

CherryogDog · 21/09/2025 09:51

I'm with you on this @zerofeeling, and really don't understand why people felt the need to be so shitty on your other post.
Many years ago, a speeding driver smashed into the back of me, I had just parked up at the side of the road.
Exchanged details, and lo and behold that night my car was torched.
There was a silver lighter found nearby with his initials on, but that didn't prove anything, according to the police.
Touch wood, not been involved in an accident since, but I would not exchange details if I was, especially as the insurance companies have access to the vehicle database.

176509user · 21/09/2025 09:41

Larrypitt · 21/09/2025 09:33

Perhaps you missed the point that it all depends on exactly what OP told the call handler. In any case, does the lack of a need to report it to the police mean you don’t need to exchange insurance details?

I wouldn’t be giving out my insurance details if my car hit something underside . OP said she checked her car and theirs.
If I drive over a bit of large debris and person in neighbouring car assumes I've hit his car, it’s really none of his business to have my insurance details.

That aside, the officers were obviously enjoying intimidating the OP.

Sharptonguedwoman · 21/09/2025 09:36

Larrypitt · 21/09/2025 09:33

Perhaps you missed the point that it all depends on exactly what OP told the call handler. In any case, does the lack of a need to report it to the police mean you don’t need to exchange insurance details?

Dunno. But I'm pretty sure OP has that covered at this point.

Larrypitt · 21/09/2025 09:33

Sharptonguedwoman · 21/09/2025 09:19

Perhaps you missed the post where OP states she reported the alleged accident and was told it wasn't necessary.

Perhaps you missed the point that it all depends on exactly what OP told the call handler. In any case, does the lack of a need to report it to the police mean you don’t need to exchange insurance details?

Shr3dding · 21/09/2025 09:30

Larrypitt · 21/09/2025 09:11

The men clearly behaved very wrongly at the time of the incident, and even more so in subsequent events. OP was right to report them and it’s good that they are facing the consequences of their actions.

But that doesn’t alter the fact that the OP was wrong in not giving her details at the time, when there were reasonable grounds to assume that she had caused a collision which might have caused damage, not immediately evident, to their car.

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

Obviously none of us can say for sure what we'd do in a hypothetical situation but I don't think I'd be keen to have given mine in the OPs circs. A noise on its own with no evidence of the car having to come into contact with anything I dont think would meet my criteria of reasonable grounds.

I might have moved my car to see if there was a branch or other item underneath it responsible for the noise but hindsight is 20 20 as they say

176509user · 21/09/2025 09:26

I read your previous post OP and it’s quite concerning the number of thickos blaming you !
Well done for reporting police misconduct snd mysoginy. Good outcome !

Sharptonguedwoman · 21/09/2025 09:20

PearlCluches · 21/09/2025 09:04

What happens if the hearing against him does not go in your favour? Might be an idea to await the outcome?

I think if he has accessed the police database for personal matters, the OP isn't the problem. His behaviour becomes the problem.

Sharptonguedwoman · 21/09/2025 09:19

Larrypitt · 21/09/2025 09:11

The men clearly behaved very wrongly at the time of the incident, and even more so in subsequent events. OP was right to report them and it’s good that they are facing the consequences of their actions.

But that doesn’t alter the fact that the OP was wrong in not giving her details at the time, when there were reasonable grounds to assume that she had caused a collision which might have caused damage, not immediately evident, to their car.

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

Perhaps you missed the post where OP states she reported the alleged accident and was told it wasn't necessary.

Larrypitt · 21/09/2025 09:11

BronwenFrideswide · 21/09/2025 03:09

I am really pleased to read your update @zerofeeling but extremely sorry you had to not only go through that but contend with the insufferrable arseholes on your original thread. I hope said arseholes read this thread with your update, feel thoroughly ashamed of themselves and have the guts and common decency to admit they were wrong and apologise especially the one who claimed to be a female police officer.

All the best to you.

The men clearly behaved very wrongly at the time of the incident, and even more so in subsequent events. OP was right to report them and it’s good that they are facing the consequences of their actions.

But that doesn’t alter the fact that the OP was wrong in not giving her details at the time, when there were reasonable grounds to assume that she had caused a collision which might have caused damage, not immediately evident, to their car.

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

zerofeeling · 21/09/2025 09:10

JMSA · 21/09/2025 07:59

How awful! Hope you’re ok OP, and I’m glad you got a positive outcome.
Can I just ask - and I hope you don’t mind - but does it unnerve you that he knows where you live?

Yes, I felt really scared that he might just completely lose it and come back to take revenge on me for the complaint. I've had contact with victim support and I feel better at the moment but I wouldn't be surprised if he and the other officer are still planning to get back at me, especially if he eventually gets demoted/dismissed.

OP posts:
Mumptynumpty · 21/09/2025 09:07

Ivy gone and read the previous thread. I hope that many of those posters have had a bloody long hard look at themselves over the last few weeks. Truly shameful comments. But I doubt it.

Your responses were measured and I applaud you for that. I don't think I will have managed that grace.

Even if this does not lead to dismissal it is a record which may add to others.

Personally, I find female police officers more drenched in misogyny than male (exH was police sphere let's say). The female officer commenting demonstrated that.

Well done.

PearlCluches · 21/09/2025 09:04

What happens if the hearing against him does not go in your favour? Might be an idea to await the outcome?

Barrenfieldoffucks · 21/09/2025 09:01

Sharptonguedwoman · 21/09/2025 08:22

So, so many people on that thread, repeating inaccurate information in such aggressively self righteous tones. Well done to you for hanging on in there.

Agreed. I remember it and can't go back for a recap, it was too frustrating at the time!

Seeyouincourtyoufool · 21/09/2025 08:58

Good for you OP. I remember your original post and could see exactly where you were coming from. After Sarah Everard's murder it is comforting to hear the police have taken this seriously, those men that day really should have known better.

Largestlegocollectionever · 21/09/2025 08:57

Well done OP, sadly too many police officers these days believe they are above the law and not held accountable to strict guidelines. Really proud of you for standing your ground!

Shr3dding · 21/09/2025 08:56

NoMoreHotHols · 21/09/2025 08:24

I really hope the police officer on your previous thread reads this update and does some serious reflection.

To give that poster the benefit of the doubt I think possibly she went in too hard on her first post and then tried to save face rather than admitting she was wrong

Maybe she'll see this and apologise

zerofeeling · 21/09/2025 08:51

NoMoreHotHols · 21/09/2025 08:24

I really hope the police officer on your previous thread reads this update and does some serious reflection.

Yes that was bad! 😮 I'm hoping it's not true that she's really Police.

OP posts:
Shr3dding · 21/09/2025 08:25

I didn't see your thread at the time but having read through just your own posts now quite a number of posters owe you an apology for the nonsense they posted. You did well to stay so calm

Good outcome

NoMoreHotHols · 21/09/2025 08:24

I really hope the police officer on your previous thread reads this update and does some serious reflection.

Sharptonguedwoman · 21/09/2025 08:22

So, so many people on that thread, repeating inaccurate information in such aggressively self righteous tones. Well done to you for hanging on in there.