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To feel out of my depth with teen DD?

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ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:02

I type this from officially the end of my tether and when I say I'm desperate for advice, I mean I'm DESPERATE and would welcome thoughts and suggestions before I completely lose my mind/marbles/will to live.

My DD is a glorious creature and I adore the bones of her, but I'm questioning everything from our parenting style and our ability to do right by her and for her (and her sister, which is a whole other story) and I suspect I need some tough love from MN as I can't see the wood for the trees.

DD is 13 and has ADHD which manifests itself with Demand Avoidance and Rejection Sensitivity Disphoria, which means that her setting is that everyone and everything is against her. Growing up, she has experienced a lot of teasing, bullying and comments about her height (she's always been the smallest in her year by some way) and this has shaped her attitude and response to life. She regards any comment as a potential attack on her (when they very rarely are) and while she seems feisty and brave, she's actually the very opposite.

Recently we moved her school - for countless reasons but also in response to her request as she'd had a tough time over the past couple of years and we all agreed a fresh start would be good, and she was on board with this. She saw all the benefits of the move, and seemed to understand the reality of the move and that it would take time to settle in and become familiar. She was nervous, but was brilliant in tackling it head on - we've told her countless times how impressed we are and how proud of her.

She's now been in her new school for a couple of weeks and despite coming out smiling and with lots of positive chat (and really positive feedback from the teachers) and new friendships forming, she's now decided that she hates it and, having been off a few days with a horrible bug, she's said she won't be going back on Monday.

She initially said she wanted to go back to her old school, but is now campaigning to be homeschooled with online classes as she says, the education system is failing and it's not right for her. She's sent me case studies and links to back up why online learning is better for her.

This is all repeated behaviour. She rejects or reacts against things in a heartbeat, and it can be anything from a particular meal, outfit or TV programme to a holiday destination, activity, friendship or in this case, school. It's like she has to have something to lash out at or fight against. She goes to the immediate big reaction (I HATE IT) but then it's so hard to move her from that viewpoint. She can't (not won't) see any other perspective or the bigger picture, it's like the shutters have come down.

We've asked what she'd like to change about school ('all of it'), what doesn't she like ('all of it'), what's good about it ('none of it'), and what in particular makes her so unhappy ('the environment'), but we see her when she comes out and she's genuinely OK. We appreciate it's not going to feel familiar and safe yet, but she's just not wanting to give it time - preferring to stay away and not engage with it.

What doesn't help is that she won't talk face to face, so to go deeper, we have to converse by message. She won't talk, she doesn't want to talk to a counsellor or a therapist, and instead she focusses on something new/different which will solve all the problems.

I'm really struggling to know what to do. Our parenting style has always been to work with the kids, not just tell them what's what, but I don't think this is actually always the right thing. In my research it says kids with Demand Avoidance need to have choices and control, but how when it's something as critical as school? And, in life, we don't always have choice or control, we have to ride the waves and be brave and do things we don't want to do.

The fact is she's not given it a chance to become familiar and great, she's given it a few days and made her mind up, and this isn't how you can go through life.
We've tried all different approaches - gentle encouragement, telling her how proud we are of her, cheering her in and celebrating wins, getting cross and telling her she HAS to go. In desperation to try something different I even shouted and said how she would be going in, school wasn't optional, and that I would pick her up and carry her in if it came to it. Not my finest parenting but I was desperate to try and get through to her, and she then told me all the ways in which I don't understand her, or even try to, and how I judge her and it makes her feel worse.

We've always tried to be her biggest champion, but I can't help but feel we're continually going wrong. Any ideas or suggestions for what to do next?

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Thegoodandbadlife · 20/09/2025 15:20

From experience certain ADHD meds do come in liquid form.

Chlo33 · 20/09/2025 15:10

Hi
I personally think there is so much pressure on kids going to school... let alone nurodiverse children.
I really struggled at secondary. I've found out that I have adhd and autism very recently, age 39.
I would have been so much happier if I want pressured into what is considered "normal".

Not sure if this will help, (or if you've already read it) but I read a book recently about a woman's experience with her dd having Pathological demand avoidance. It was helpful to me, as my dd has autism and possibly adhd and exhibits signs of pda. I'll post link below:

https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/products/pathological-demand-avoidance-syndrome-my-daughter-is-not-naughty-book-jane-alison-sherwin-9781849056144?sku=GOR007773676&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=19545754761&gclid=CjwKCAjwobnGBhBNEiwAu2mpFGT63sOtapJjmBT0fdqw9nuZWwiA0fOFjsyeoiTgq90nGiPyJ1nyDRoC-XMQAvD_BwE

Good luck x

Pathological Demand Avoidance Syndrome - My Daughter is Not Naughty

Jane Alison Sherwin's honest and uplifting account provides insight into the challenges of bringing up a child with Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA). After years of misdiagnosis, Jane's daughter, Mollie, was diagnosed with PDA at the age of seven, a...

https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/products/pathological-demand-avoidance-syndrome-my-daughter-is-not-naughty-book-jane-alison-sherwin-9781849056144?gad_campaignid=19545754761&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwobnGBhBNEiwAu2mpFGT63sOtapJjmBT0fdqw9nuZWwiA0fOFjsyeoiTgq90nGiPyJ1nyDRoC-XMQAvD_BwE&sku=GOR007773676

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 20/09/2025 15:02

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:56

Arse I'm so sorry to hear your DD has struggled so badly. And thank you for your words, they are appreciated.

I so hope your DD is doing better now?

She’s better than she was..Starts Uni on Monday but still overwhelmed easily.

If you push your Dd in she will get worse. It’s not necessarily PDA. It’s neurodivergent burnout. You need to reduce demand as much as possible. Including school if required. It’s the only way out.

I did find paying mine at 13 would result in some engagement with medics/counsellors etc. Shameful, but got a result.

She was out of school for 18 months.

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:56

Arse I'm so sorry to hear your DD has struggled so badly. And thank you for your words, they are appreciated.

I so hope your DD is doing better now?

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 20/09/2025 14:52

I have one like this. She’s on meds but still similar. Sertraline improved her ability to talk in top of the meds. She’s identical in every way to yours.

However, she went into burnout at about 15, and is still struggling with it a bit now. School refusal was the first thing.

If you want my honest opinion it’s unlikely she will go back. This needs to be understood as she wants to go but can’t. Our advice was to try and encourage her in. Which we did and this resulted in self harm.

She really needs an EHCP.

coxesorangepippin · 20/09/2025 14:51

Fruitlips · 20/09/2025 14:10

Is she your only child?

🤣

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:49

Barrenfieldoffucks · 20/09/2025 14:42

I also think that giving 'break points' helps. As in, "it isn't possible to quit school now. Your school has a contract with a notice period. We have full time jobs. All of these things take time to arrange etc. But, I can see this is bothering you. Let's make a plan to help sort the specific things that you find challenging/uncomfortable and we can re-visit this discussion at the end of the term (insert whatever suitable point). We want you to be happy, but we need to work out what it is that makes you happy and unhappy, and have time to make the changes etc".

You get my drift.

And yes to meds. Doesn't necessarily help as much with the PDA side, but should overall.

Edited

This is where we are currently. An out-and-out no results in her kicking back harder ('Well, I'm not going') whereas I'm trying a slightly more neutral approach. I've said that it's a lot to think about and I need you to know we're listening to you and reminding her that in the meantime, she needs to be at school for lots of reasons, but we are committed to finding the right thing for her.

Which, I believe, is the school she's now at.

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showyourquality · 20/09/2025 14:47

Meds are very important part of managing many dc’s ADHD and I would always recommend families try them. But they aren’t a magic wand, it can take time and patience to find the right meds and the right doses, there are issues of sleep and growth that can be impacted by them, they can make the post school crash worse.
I would alongside meds be considering OT and or therapy for your dc and some parent coaching for parents. Additude is a good online resource, although it’s based in the US.
Focus on remaining as calm as you can regardless of how stressed she is getting.
Keep your own boundaries around school attendance as calmly and firmly as possible, definitely as a long term goal even if it’s a bit rockier in the short term.

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:44

Barrenfieldoffucks · 20/09/2025 14:43

Most of these meds are capsules with powder in. You can mix the powder in anything really. Not ideal as it is easier to ensure the whole dose is gone in a capsule, but needs must.

The ADHD meds I know of are all slow-release and don't have an 'inside' so to speak but we have mentioned her inability to take tablets to the clinic.

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Barrenfieldoffucks · 20/09/2025 14:43

WatchingTheDetective · 20/09/2025 14:38

But if she won't take tablets then will that happen? I wouldn't even consider homeschooling. You work full-time and I'm sure you need that for your own sanity. I have to admit I would be really pushing for medication for her. I really feel for you, it must be so frustrating.

Most of these meds are capsules with powder in. You can mix the powder in anything really. Not ideal as it is easier to ensure the whole dose is gone in a capsule, but needs must.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 20/09/2025 14:42

I also think that giving 'break points' helps. As in, "it isn't possible to quit school now. Your school has a contract with a notice period. We have full time jobs. All of these things take time to arrange etc. But, I can see this is bothering you. Let's make a plan to help sort the specific things that you find challenging/uncomfortable and we can re-visit this discussion at the end of the term (insert whatever suitable point). We want you to be happy, but we need to work out what it is that makes you happy and unhappy, and have time to make the changes etc".

You get my drift.

And yes to meds. Doesn't necessarily help as much with the PDA side, but should overall.

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:42

Fruitlips · 20/09/2025 14:26

Oh for goodness sakes

🙄

I just can’t believe that your daughter has been suffering for this long and you haven’t tried meds

I will leave you and your supplements to it

She hasn't been suffering this long. It's been a couple of weeks, with 'crisis' mode in the past few days.

It's hard to know what are ypical 'new school' scary feelings, and what needs more care and attention, hence my post. I'm already looking at meds as an option but it can't be the only thing we do.

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WatchingTheDetective · 20/09/2025 14:38

But if she won't take tablets then will that happen? I wouldn't even consider homeschooling. You work full-time and I'm sure you need that for your own sanity. I have to admit I would be really pushing for medication for her. I really feel for you, it must be so frustrating.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 20/09/2025 14:38

Fruitlips · 20/09/2025 14:26

Oh for goodness sakes

🙄

I just can’t believe that your daughter has been suffering for this long and you haven’t tried meds

I will leave you and your supplements to it

She's not been "suffering for this long". The OP (who knows far better than you) says that she has been fine in the majority of ways and this has only been a real issue for a week. As in, started new school, been fine, been off for a few days, now won't go back. Hardly "suffering" for years eh. 🙄

ProfessorRizz · 20/09/2025 14:33

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:14

Nope, we've not gone down that route, but I am definitely looking at this as a next step. Her ADHD was 'manageable' previously but combined with hormones, it's like her wheels have fallen off.

ADHD meds are miraculous. You will notice a difference very quickly.

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:28

CancelTheTableAlan · 20/09/2025 14:10

I think you will get some advice here that is unhelpful OP - not a lot of people understand ND children and teens, and you'll have a lot of "don't pander to her, remove her devices and get her in". Only take on the advice that you find yourself able to accept- it's a tough old road and people who don't get it, yet given judgy advice, can make it worse.

Now. Having said that. Adhd - is it perhaps time to look at medication? Is she having OT? The fact shes smiling and laughing and yet also saying she can't go in suggests there is some masking going on that she perhaps doesnt fully understand.

I wonder if she needs to sit with you and visually draw a plan (or use whatever tools her particular executive function works with best) Of what steps need to be gone through so that she can know clearly whether home ed is for her or not. It could include some investigation into it, as well as trying at school and working out if any more accommodations are needed for her there. How can she and you get more information about whether this school will be right for her or not? The "design-plan-do" part of thinking it through will be the part that her brain isn't great at, so she will be looking for some immediate fixes. You might need to work with whatever helps her regulate, to get some time for her to reflect when shes not in a sort of panic mode.

You might also need to let her be off school for a few days to take off the pressure. frustrating as it is, pushing them back just doesn't work.

This is so helpful, thank you so much!

You are so right in her looking for the immediate fix, we see that almost daily with her behaviours, even down to not wanting to wait for dinner and needing food NOW.

I'll try the design-plan-do approach with her later on.

Thanks so much for the kind words, it's appreciated.

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Fruitlips · 20/09/2025 14:26

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:25

Thanks Fruitlips, kick a fellow mum while she's down, why don't you?

Oh for goodness sakes

🙄

I just can’t believe that your daughter has been suffering for this long and you haven’t tried meds

I will leave you and your supplements to it

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:26

AltitudeCheck · 20/09/2025 14:15

Tell her home schooling requires self discipline, perseverance and the ability to follow instructions and you don't feel she has developed those skills yet. Say that any change takes time to assess and a few weeks isn't long enough, as a minimum she has to complete a year in the new school and if (big if!) she shows she has the discipline to manage her workload and study etc and is still unhappy at school you will have a serious discussion about changing.

Thank you, yes, I can see how some of this would resonate with her. Thank you so much.

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ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:25

Fruitlips · 20/09/2025 14:22

No it is not that simple
There’s a process of finding the right med and the right dose. But you’ve done nothing and it would likely make her life a whole lot easier

Thanks Fruitlips, kick a fellow mum while she's down, why don't you?

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Fruitlips · 20/09/2025 14:24

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:24

Something else worth mentioning is that the new school is an independent school, chosen specifically for the small class sizes and recognition of every pupil as an individual.

While we're not hammering home the point to her, or her sister, in signing them up, we've signed their Terms and Conditions, which mean we're paying for this term and next which has massive financial implications.

Is her sister fine about going back to school on Monday?

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:24

Something else worth mentioning is that the new school is an independent school, chosen specifically for the small class sizes and recognition of every pupil as an individual.

While we're not hammering home the point to her, or her sister, in signing them up, we've signed their Terms and Conditions, which mean we're paying for this term and next which has massive financial implications.

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Fruitlips · 20/09/2025 14:23

She has supplements to support her for focus, calm and clarity

what supplements?

Namenamchange · 20/09/2025 14:22

Maybe have a look at a reduced time table to get her more settled into the new school.

However, I might be wrong, but I can hear a sense of wavering on your stance of homeschooling, and your dd will pick up on that too. I think you need to decide yourself what you can and can’t do and whether home schooling is an option as your dd will pick up on it if you are not clear yourself.

Fruitlips · 20/09/2025 14:22

No it is not that simple
There’s a process of finding the right med and the right dose. But you’ve done nothing and it would likely make her life a whole lot easier

ChrisReaPoppedAnEggInMyBath · 20/09/2025 14:21

Fruitlips · 20/09/2025 14:16

I can’t understand how it’s got this far and you are DESPERATE and haven’t tried meds way before now.

As soon as we got the diagnosis, my son went on to the meds at the recommendation of the diagnoser

Being honest, it's got this far in a very short space of time. While her ability to fight against things has been longstanding, this huge stance about school has been in the past couple of weeks. I'm sure you know that it's not as simple as 'yes, we'll go on meds now' and bingo!

She has supplements to support her for focus, calm and clarity, and I've already been in touch with the clinic where she had her diagnosis to follow up, so we're on the case with this now - I should have put this in my OP.

Also she can't take tablets - she still has Calpol if she's ill - but that's a battle for another day.

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