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To think the social contract has completely broken down?

319 replies

KenAdams · 19/09/2025 15:27

It seems as though everything if affected, from parking in disabled spaces when you don't need them to talking loudly in train quiet carriages to not tolerating people that are different or have different views to you or caring if they are drowned or tortured.

I'm not sure if it was COVID that ramped up the every man for himself mentality but everywhere just seems like a cesspit at the moment.

Of course it could just be the places I frequent but I travel a lot and I don't even think its a UK thing, it seems to be everywhere.

I don't think I'm alone in feeling this way.

OP posts:
Fruitlips · 19/09/2025 16:46

Doughyou · 19/09/2025 16:34

Totally agree and also @Fruitlips you can be the happiest person and still make this observation!
I am unlucky to live in a rough area and it’s just getting worse and worse. People treat the street like a tip and the driving and parking is selfish and dangerous. Noise all night and people acting like they live in isolated mansions not terraces with close neighbours. It’s really hard and not fun for those of us who can’t buy our way out. It was still poor and rough ten years ago but people weren’t as selfish and entitled with how they lived.

Of course you can
it was a question
not an assumption

Devilsmommy · 19/09/2025 16:43

COVID turned everyone in to selfish entitled twats and it seems like manners and just general decency are a thing of the past.

Bonden · 19/09/2025 16:41

social contract has gone pfffft.
it used to be

• study and you’ll have a better life
• work hard and you’ll have a decent life
• if you get ill you’ll be looked after
• vote, and you’ll influence the country
• be polite and others will be polite to you

Doughyou · 19/09/2025 16:34

Totally agree and also @Fruitlips you can be the happiest person and still make this observation!
I am unlucky to live in a rough area and it’s just getting worse and worse. People treat the street like a tip and the driving and parking is selfish and dangerous. Noise all night and people acting like they live in isolated mansions not terraces with close neighbours. It’s really hard and not fun for those of us who can’t buy our way out. It was still poor and rough ten years ago but people weren’t as selfish and entitled with how they lived.

KenAdams · 19/09/2025 16:28

Theroadt · 19/09/2025 16:19

I think that’s a wee bit patronising. OP might be feeling negative because (1) she isn’t generally happy; or (2) this is an issue that is making her unhappy; or (3) she is deliriously happy but notices and is intrigued by this issue. She just asked for opinions. Seems logical to me 🤷🏻‍♀️

3 but probably just the normal amount of happy 😄

OP posts:
KenAdams · 19/09/2025 16:27

Fruitlips · 19/09/2025 15:42

Are you happy in your personal life OP?

Very much so. This isn't from a personal lens in relation to what's happening with me. I feel like a bit of an outlier in that though.

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Ddakji · 19/09/2025 16:24

How anyone who’s on MN can deny it I can’t think, given that we see it constantly all over threads - it’s not illegal, they can do what they like in their garden etc etc. Every other thread is a clear demonstration that just because you can doesn’t mean you should and yet people with continue to defend it. And these people have kids and spread their anti-social views to them.

Fruitlips · 19/09/2025 16:21

Theroadt · 19/09/2025 16:19

I think that’s a wee bit patronising. OP might be feeling negative because (1) she isn’t generally happy; or (2) this is an issue that is making her unhappy; or (3) she is deliriously happy but notices and is intrigued by this issue. She just asked for opinions. Seems logical to me 🤷🏻‍♀️

And nothing wrong with enquiring
as if you’re unhappy in life it is not beyond the realms of possibility that you see the wider world as pretty bleak too

Theroadt · 19/09/2025 16:19

Fruitlips · 19/09/2025 15:42

Are you happy in your personal life OP?

I think that’s a wee bit patronising. OP might be feeling negative because (1) she isn’t generally happy; or (2) this is an issue that is making her unhappy; or (3) she is deliriously happy but notices and is intrigued by this issue. She just asked for opinions. Seems logical to me 🤷🏻‍♀️

WrinklesShminkles · 19/09/2025 15:52

I think one factor is people (especially younger people) experiencing other people mainly as two-dimensional avatars on a screen - it stops them realising that those "characters" are in fact still people.

I sort of wish it was practicable to turn the internet off for a month or so to break its spell!

Coatsoff42 · 19/09/2025 15:48

I read this somewhere, I think it’s true:

Modern relationships now operate on what might be called “calculated vulnerability.” People share enough to maintain connections but rarely enough to risk real hurt. They help others but with clear boundaries and expectations.

Swiftie1878 · 19/09/2025 15:46

Entitlement is the thing. And it is exacerbated by low level aggression.
The world has gone slightly mad.

Fruitlips · 19/09/2025 15:42

Are you happy in your personal life OP?

PegDope · 19/09/2025 15:42

It has.

The sheer number of cars that drive through just gone red lights. It’s astounding.

KimberleyClark · 19/09/2025 15:41

It started with Margaret “no such thing as society” Thatcher.

BuddhaAtSea · 19/09/2025 15:39

I think the entitlement has reached new heights. So has chronic loneliness. It’s like people forgot to grow up. It’s far easier to live behind the screen and cry if something doesn’t go your way, just waiting for the others to solve their problems but not offering anything in return.
My daughter’s generation is the last one who didn’t have a phone/tablet since birth. She doom scrolls, but she knows how to snap out of it and meet people face to face, she’s got the emotional intelligence to process what’s going on around her, and act accordingly.

Maybe they’re all cooking something and I have no idea, maybe they’re onto something. But they don’t seem content, they seem dissociated.

Maverickess · 19/09/2025 15:33

It seems to me that people increasingly demand cooperation and consideration, and there's usually a big fuss about rights and what you're entitled to if it doesn't happen, or doesn't happen enough, while having a "Why should I?" Attitude if asked to cooperate or show consideration for someone else.

But then I think every generation thinks similar of the generation after them, so maybe I'm just getting old.

ARichtGoodDram · 19/09/2025 15:29

What's considered basic manners seems to have changed.

People having loud speaker phone conversations and watching films or videos with no headphones on a his or train would have been a notable rare occurrence just a few years ago, yet it's horribly common now.

Fruitlips · 19/09/2025 15:28

I don’t know, I’m quite content, my children are happy, healthy and thriving, I enjoy life and generally find people pretty decent 🤷‍♀️

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