Backlash against Trans women

She wasn’t found guilty of murder. She was the victim of domestic abuse, and the man she killed with one stabbing had stabbed her first. She claimed self defence and that was accepted by the courts.
Don’t let the truth get in the way of your hyperbole though.

But if course men shouldn't be in womens jails. This just had nothing to do with why the butcher grandma was kept locked up

No im saying that the murderer was kept in prison because shes a violent murderer and no other reason that she believes or claims.

First it was making out the sex offender woman was man, and now it is arguing that a crazed killer should have been let out sooner. What the very fuck mumsnet.

I don’t understand - are you saying that female prisoners should have to put up with male prisoners being incarcerated with them?

If you are so desperate to try and prove something that you are championing a murderer, there is something seriously wrong with you. Don't sink that low.

She believes it was. There is nothing to say that except the word of woman who butchered someone to death. A murderer

What part of “she was denied being able to apply for parole” did you not understand?

This is different to ‘she was denied parole’. She was denied being able to apply.

But do keep showing how you believe that only good and pure female people should have access to the justice system and due process. Considering you also stated on another thread that you believe female people should have single sex spaces, would you like to comment on the fact that this male prisoner was in the female prison?

Or are female prisoners to be denied safety from male prisoners as well?

She believes it was. More likely her history of violence and dependency. But let's pretend the woman who butchered a man to death was only kept in prison because she wouldn't call a man a woman

No. She was refused parole because she refused to call a man a woman.

She was likely kept in prison because shes a violent murderer who couldn't obey prison rules. What other female murderers do you excuse and want back on our streets?

in this thread. THIS BLOODY THREAD there is a report of girls at a school in the US being literally forced to do it.

But you are wilfully not seeing any of this. And so we have no need to listen to any of your weasel words.

Was the drag performer trans ? I don't think i understand your post.

Should we start posting the examples from sport where women are being disadvantaged and harmed by the inclusion of male people in female sports events?

I mean, we can keep posting examples of where women and girls are being not just disadvantaged but actively harmed by the demand to treat male people as if they are female. I doubt we will convince you, but it will certainly highlight how women and girls are being disadvantaged.

in the words of the TRAs: educate yourself.

And if you wouldn't mind not using stupid sexist language like "hysteria" to describe a reaction to men in women's spaces, that would be just grand.

And yet she was blocked from receiving the process of the justice system for not using the preferred language of a male prisoner who is in the female prison with her.

If you cannot see the injustice of that situation, I suspect your prejudice is very entrenched.

So, let me get this right… only good and pure women deserve to be treated with respect and to have not only single sex provisions but to receive the justice process that everyone is entitled to? Good to know.

Also I don’t believe that trans people make up as much as 0.5% of the population. That would mean there’d be about 300 in the smallish town where I live. Nah, I’m not buying it.

i would love to see realistic, robust reliable stats on how many trans people there are. Not least because it helps councils/governments etc allocate funding for whatever it is they think they don't have.

But the TRAs have shot themselves in the foot there - i am experiencing schadenfreude by the bucketload here - because they insist on only gathering non-realistic, non-robust and non-reliable data. Their insistance on only documenting "gender ID" rather than sex (binary) and then if they want, the indication that they have a trans ID which is opposite to their natal sex, means that they can't make ANY claims about numbers. And if they do? all we need to say is: show us the data.

Their dogged insistance that nobody can tell because they all pass, coupled with their dogged insistance that Sex Realistic (sometimes known as GC) people are trying to eradicate them is a tautology.

I'm over it now. I call a man a man, and the term trans-identified-man or man-who-says-he's a woman (or TIW etc).

You mean this murderer who killed a man with a pair of scissors? Oh its so terrible they didnt let her free sooner!

You mean this murderer who killed a man with a pair of scissors? Oh its so terrible they didnt let her free sooner!

Here is another female prisoner who lost four years parole opportunity due to her not using the preferred language of a male prisoner who was in the female prison.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/female-prisoner-claims-blocked-parole-35282330.amp

https://archive.is/dWF1z

“I was sexually assaulted in a women's prison... by a fellow inmate with male genitalia'

'When J went for a shower, the prison put a sign on the door saying that no one else should enter, because they knew it could upset the women if they saw her naked, but J objected to this and said it was an infringement of her human rights,' says Amy.

'She said, 'I am a woman and I want to shower with other women.' Just before she assaulted me, she was seen with the shower curtain open, her genitals in full view of the other women.'

Not a rape victim but here is an assault victim that had to use female pronouns for her attacker in court.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/06/21/interview-maria-maclauchlan-gra-aftermath-assault-speakers-corner/

It was due to the Benchbook guiding judicial procedure. Here is an article about the first changes back towards allowing women to use sex based language in court in their testimony.

www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2022/01/03/the-new-interim-version-of-the-equal-treatment-bench-book/

The Lia Thomas case was indeed about women being forced to undress in front of a man. The women who complained were threatened with expulsion from their swim teams, some of them on scholarship requiring them to be on those swim teams. That is coercion. That is force. There was no usable alternative offered for them.

What do you think the cases of Peggie and the Darlington nurses are about - they are entirely about women having to get undressed in front of trans identified males. Please tell us what YOU think they are about.

lia Thomas - as well as cheating on the women’s team shared showers and changing rooms with the young women and walked around with an erection. Women who complained were disciplined.

Nor me. They are biological men with a penis, whatever they choose to identify as. 🤷‍♀️