Very strange situation

Oh deary me, yes of course. I must remember that I’m so out of touch and behind with the times.

Of course my son’s friend wasn’t poorly parented, had zero discipline in his life and as a result was spoilt and rude. He was of course neurodivergent.

Yep, me too. Not so easy if you’re early on it.

Well AI has certainly made it simpler for people to post ridiculous scenarios. But I honestly cannot see what anyone gets out of inventing these scenarios.
It’s at the stage now where, when I read this kind of thing the first thing I do is see if the Op has posted more than once on the thread.

Tbf if my child said she was given noodles and others burgers I would ask what happened. But I would await a response before making judgement. I would be creeped out to discover my dd was being filmed and would probably not want my child there (age dependent)

I think you do have to be careful with kids who lie when it can cause trouble for someone.

My friend’s son started telling lies about people and realised it got him attention.

To start with it was nothing too serious, I don’t remember the exact details but he lied to his auntie that his mum had said his stepdad had borrowed money from his money box and then paid it back. His auntie was obviously interested and asked lots of questions so he started to make up other similar lies, like his stepdad ate his packed lunch and his mum had to give him dinner money, and on another occasion his mum lost her temper and said she preferred his half brother and wished she’d never had him.

It wasn’t till the final lie when it had escalated to his dog was given away because his step dad said he didn’t deserve it that his auntie confronted her sister (his mum) and then he admitted that he’d been saying it for attention and he knew it would cause concerns but didn’t care.
The dog was still at home and his step dad was working away when he’d said he’d eaten his lunch so luckily it was easily proved to be lies.
He was 11 and got on very well with his stepdad who had brought him up from being a baby so his stepdad was devastated.

My friend had a long talk with her son and he promised not to do it again, she was called into school soon afterwards about more concerning lies including his stepdad wouldn’t let him sleep at night and his mum bought his half brother gifts and took him for days out with sweets and McDonald’s and he was left at home alone and told to do cleaning.

It got to the point where social services got involved and even though some of the lies were ridiculous and he admitted to telling them, they had to be investigated.

It blew over for few months after that but then there were lots of similar incidents to the one in the OP.

Lots of friends of parents asked about when the new baby was due and one of her sons best friends mum asked was the baby getting his room leaving him without one?
My friend was also asked by a neighbour if her son stayed at home when the rest of the family went to Disney land and offered to look after him if it happened again.
She asked by several people if his stepdad in jail for fraud and other similar worrying lies.

Some kids thrive off the attention and things like that are going to make adults pay attention over listening about mine craft and Lego. If cameras had been as common back when my friends son was young then I’m sure my friend would have had them all over! but I appreciate that’s a different scenario than in the OP.

The lad is 23 now and still lies, he’s lived with grandparents since he was 14 because of it but he’s lied about them too, he’s just not believed anymore.

Lots of kids tell innocent lies but the girl in the OP just needed to say she wasn’t offered burgers if she wanted super noodles, I think you can’t ignore it when there are accusations. She was obviously believed and given attention by her mum as well so had the perfect response to encourage her to do it again.

If I was the OP then I wouldn’t invite this child to my house again. I do find it frustrating that this is another occasion where the OP has made a semi controversial post (mentioning cameras was bound to gain comments) and not been back to respond or elaborate.
I can’t work out what the point is? Do they read the responses even? Is it just to waste peoples time or do they enjoy getting people wound up and arguing?
I have wondered before if the threads where OP posts once are some kind of social experiment? I usually check if OP has returned but I’m wasting time on a night shift on my break so it doesn’t really matter! I’m not losing sleep or missing out on anything in life 😂.

Same

It’s much much more common now isn’t it? Drives me mad. Do you think it’s bots / AI? Or just general increase in flakiness.

Exactly! I was wondering if I was the only one to pick up on this, reading the first comments!

How completely out of order to invite ppl (especially children) into your house and not make them aware they are being audio, never mind visually, recorded! It’s illegal to record ppls conversations in public without their knowledge like on security cameras in pubs etc, it should be exactly the same in homes. Air b n bs are banned from putting cameras anywhere guests expect privacy like bedrooms, bathrooms and toilets but most ppl would assume if they are having a private conversation, perhaps sharing intimate and personal details, that they will not be observed by other ppl, certainly that what they say isn’t being recorded with the possibility of sharing with other ppl or using the information for god knows what.

Recording without knowledge or consent somewhere you’d expect privacy, as opposed to the street or public transport should be illegal. OP’s friend should be telling visitors and parents of their children’s friends what the set up is before inviting them round!

When I read the Op earlier today, I felt 100% certain that the Op would never return. Yet another incendiary post, then…nothing. Part of an overall pattern with posts on Mumsnet these days. So tiresome.

I just think the whole world has gone mad with the filming of everything and everybody. Filming children and recording conversations is just so strange to me. I suppose it comes from the bullying I have seen in secondary schools, filming each other fighting etc.

Poor dogs?? 🤣

poor dogs and kids!

She said ring camera not ring doorbell

Really? This mum has a ring doorbell close enough to the kitchen that it recorded this conversation?

I wouldn’t have sent the film over - I wouldn’t like the thought of being filmed in someone’s house and it was unnecessary to prove it.

The child is obviously very cheeky to ask for noodles instead of what was being cooked and has then told her mum a story. I would have just told the mum the truth of what happened and hope she realised that her child was not being truthful. I would have left the ball in her court to deal with her daughter. She is 10 and probably really wanted noodles!

She's not being unreasonable. I'd be reluctant to have her back in my house too. I would expect the mum to discipline her for telling lies and I would tell the mum that although I can forgive this behaviour this once, if this happens again her DD won't be allowed to come round anymore but that I hope her daughter can make better choices going forward so that didn't happen as my DD valued the friendship as do I.

Oh dear. Both mums are overreacting, surely. The little girl made up a story about how she came to be eating noodles for dinner and now she's been found out and perhaps won't tell lies another time without thinking of the consequences.
But really if your friend is recording everything that happens in her kitchen, she ought to make people aware of it as soon as they arrive, not after the recording has been used against them!!

The friend is a lying little shit. The sort that enjoys making up stories to try and get other people into trouble. Keep your own child well away from her. Her mother clearly endorses it and believes everything her precious darling says.

Kids tell silly lies sometimes. It's really not a lot to get worked up over. Mother should not have reacted the way she did but it's no reason to ostracise the family forever.

10 year old these days aren't innocent anymore if they make up lies about someone not treating them well...they are hormonal also.. next time the lie could be about the fit daddy. Let that woman keep her revolting brat in her own home.

Do people read? The op literally said she has the camera running to watch her dogs! She hasn’t done anything wrong here by sharing the footage, I would have done the exact same thing. The friends parent obviously felt so concerned at what she heard from her lying daughter, she needed to know that she was lying! She would not be allowed back in my house. What else could she lie about!

Lots of people have cameras for their dogs, out of my friends 5 of us have dogs and out of those 5, 3 have cameras in the living rooms/kitchens so they can see what they are up to, talk to them if needed ie telling them to be quiet if they’ve started to bark at something.
I don’t think they switch them off when they are home, it doesn’t bother me that my children are filmed in those communal areas, because everyone is fully clothed etc
I wouldn’t have a child back in my house that has shown a tendency to lie and for their parent to overreact and get slightly aggressive, in this case it was over something minor but who knows what she may come out with next.

I agree with this.

We all experiment with lying as we grow up. See what we are comfortable with. See what we get away with. Obviously the truth is better. I never understand why people are so shocked at lying in children. We all lie, but they are still perfecting the skill. By the time they are teens, you won't catch them at it so much.

Here's my research which backs it up. 2 lies a day, apparently.
https://www.bps.org.uk/research-digest/how-do-lying-skill-and-frequency-change-through-life-childhood-old-age

Has she had an apology? Tbh your friend was very good offering an alternative. In this s house a burger would have been served irrespective and if it didn't get eaten then it didn't get eaten! I once had a friend of ed come and quiz me while I was making shepherds pie from scratch for them. Apparently she wanted one made without onions or carrots. I just smiled and said ' that's nice dear' and dished her up a portion of what everyone else had. I tell everyone to do the same with my kids too.