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To continue with my CMS claim when exp claims it is affecting his mental health?

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Rainbows41 · 18/09/2025 11:15

I recently put in a claim for CMS to cut all ties with exp. He had previously offered to pay only things related to dc's education and nothing more. I had been told by the DWP years ago that I didn't have to accept that, but at the time I had been on the receiving end of such mental and physical abuse from exp so I was willing to accept anything he offered so as to avoid any further upset.
Years and years later fast forward to now, he has ramped up the abusivrle behaviour again. I have noticed he seems to take pleasure from being asked for money for DC's school shoes/equipment/school travel etc. At times he has attempted to make me feel grabby for asking - by saying he thinks he has paid enough, ie dd's residential trip he paid for but refused to pay for her suitcase and equipment she needed to take with her.

Anyway I am far removed from the nonsense he likes to create and his latest outburst has highlighted just how far I have come in terms of just self growth alone, since leaving him all those years ago. It seems, he hasn't changed his ways and was just good at hiding them. He has started to take things out on my dd. This has crossed a line with me. I will not tolerate it.
IAt the beginning of the summer hols I made a claim to CMS just to cut ties with him altogether. Daughter then doesn't have to ask him for anything and he has no reason to create rows. What's interesting though is that ds doesn't see any of this - because it's not directed at him, only dd. Exp buys him whatever he wants and always offers him opportunities to "earn" pocket money (we're talking £50-£100 a time), whilst DD is left without - no earning opportunity, but she has said nothing.
He is self employed and had recently been blosting how much he was earning whilst still being nasty towards DD. He has been very abusive towards her and her friendships (something he used to do to isolate me). She snapped and told him he was out of order. I decided for her sake (and mine secretly), that a CMS claim would give him one less thing to control and abuse.

CMS have come back and said dc's are entitled to zero. Apparently he is relying on universal credit and has swindled his earnings to make it look like he is earning the bare minimum. I was fully expecting him to hide his earnings, and it hasn't surprised me he has done this.
I am financially in a position to cover anything my children need and want, so not relying on him to cover educational bits is no problem for me. At the end of the summer hols I would have usually asked him for money to pay for DC's school travel passes along with some uniform and stationary bits. I have covered these now myself.
The day after I was informed by CMS of the zero entitlement, exp contacted DC's individually and told them to each pass on a message to me : "this is the last time and I mean it, I am offering mum one last chance to accept my offer of going back to the former agreement". I listened to my DC's telling me this and I didn't respond whether I would accept or not (I was in shock if truth be told at the sheer audacity of exp).
DD asked dad directly whether he would pay mum the bus pass money, and he told her no and said, I quote "this is what happens when mum messes with fire - she gets burned!". I couldn't believe it when she told me that. He said he would only pay anything they needed from this point forward and will not reimburse anything I had already covered. He also requested that I cancel the CMS claim and only then he would think about paying their costs, yet unsurprisingly he has purchased equipment for ds he needs for college whilst dangling this CMS claim over daughters head as leverage.
However, he is still harassing dd about it and has ramped up the abuse. He is threatening to kill himself over it. He has told her that hers and my actions have caused his mental health to decline rapidly.
I had previously blocked him, since the beginning of the summer hols. However, due to the abuse towards DD I have had to resume contact and tell him to back off! I have asked him why he is so upset over it all when CMS aren't even taking a penny from him. He won't say, but I think he doesn't want the trouble of having to continuously hide his earnings from the government. That's not my problem. That's his.
I had told him last night that if he carries on with his coercive behaviour towards DD then I will get the police and ss involved and they will look closely at his mental health to decide whether he is actually fit to be around my DC's. When son came home last night, after his suicidal threats, he had no idea of anything being untoward. I casually asked him if he has spoken to dad today, he said yes. I asked how he seemed. Son said he was absolutely fine and asked me why. I knew he was just ramping up for my daughter and playing a callous act. Do this is why I added in my message that the police and ss will look into his mental health, so as to call him out on his bullshit
After my message was sent, he started taking it out on DD and messaging her about it! He was asking her what he should do, he feels so mentally unstable and it's all mums fault.
I cannot believe he did this and I am at my wits end. I haven't messaged him since. I've said what I needed to and I absolutely mean what I said. I don't do 'he said/she said"
' nonsense, nor do I take part in any kind of tit for tat.
Daughter is becoming very confused and worn down by it all and has asked me to cancel the CMS claim as she wants all this to stop. She says she doesn't know whether to be on dad's side or mine and is confused as he keeps saying stuff about me. I have calmly explained to her there are no sides to take. I explained that people can easily say things but their actions will always reveal the truth. I told her she can make up her own mind about dad and I will never judge her or love her any less. I have advised her that she would benefit from some counselling sessions away from me and dad, so that she can let off some steam and get unbiased advice.
I have explained that her dad seems to be going through some kind of mental decline and that he shouldn't be taking it out on her.
I was very careful not to give her too much advice as she was in information overload. But at the same time I didn't want her to be left with all those negative thoughts whirling around her mind festering. She was upset that I had messaged dad and had gotten involved. She demanded to read my message, so I showed her. None of it was nasty. No name calling or insulting text, just facts.
She looked at ease after reading it and actually told me she thought it was a good message (teenagers?!).
As I said I've blocked him again. I told her it would be better if she gives him some space and avoid him for the time being so he can calm down and work out what's going on his head. She also needs to decompress.
She said she was worried he was going to use her giving him space against her for when she does eventually go and see him.
I advised her to put his messages into the archive folder, so that she can look at them along with any new messages when she is in a better place, if she so chooses to.

I don't know what to do now. I don't want to close down the claim. I shouldn't have to. He is making out that I am being unfair and causing issues. I'm literally doing the right thing by cutting him off from me, and removing his "power".

I did say to him in my message that when he asked the kids to tell me about his "last offer", they also told me he wanted me to set up a bank account for DD (son already has one), so that he can pay money into that for educational bits, rather than paying me directly. I have since, set this account up for DD and when telling him about it in my message, he relied saying he would prefer to set up his own account and pay money into that instead. I know exactly why he has said that. It's to avoid paying my daughter anything at all and still keep control of anything he intends to put aside for her and use that as leverage in fiture. It's all controlling bollox.
I'm taking her out on the weekend to buy her the bits she needs. I've advised her not to ask him for another thing.

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99bottlesofkombucha · 19/09/2025 00:43

I’d: call the police /emergency services every time he threatens suicide and cancel contact until they’ve seen him. Switch to the parenting app. Honestly, I’d also document all the unfair treatment of your dd, the long history of abuse of you, see a lawyer to validate the approach, and tell dd you are her mum and you need to protect her. She is not less than her brother, she is a wonderful human being and you will no longer let her be treated as less, put the court application in for supervised short term contact only while he continues to treat her as so much less and tell her she won’t be seeing her dad for a while and you will be monitoring messages, you are furious for her and you want her to know she deserves a better dad than that and to be treated fairly.

Givenupshopping · 19/09/2025 00:34

OP you say that your DS seems to look on what's happening, as him getting one up on his sister. I think it is REALLY IMPORTANT that you discuss what is happening here with him, as otherwise he is going to go into adulthood thinking that this sort of behaviour is acceptable. Would it be possible for you to talk to him and his sister about this, and if you can afford it, make sure that his sister gets exactly the same monetary treatment, as he does? For example, if your DS gets the chance to earn £30 by doing something his father asks him to do, then could you do the same for your daughter? If the father buys, as an example, tickets for him and your son to go to a football match, could you do something of similar value with your daughter? Thus showing them both, that treating your children equally, is only right and proper.

I would also put a stop to your daughter seeing her father, for the good of HER mental health, never mind about him, personally I'd give a round of applause if you came on here tomorrow and told us that he has killed himself, the evil bastard, but there is absolutely NO WAY that your poor daughter should be subjected to this.

I have a family member who was subjected to similar behaviour to this when her parents split, and she has had to spend months seeing a counsellor on a weekly basis, in order to try and sort out all of the damage that was done to her by her parents after the break up, so please DON'T make the mistake of thinking that she'll be OK, she WON'T!!! However grown up your kids may seem, remember that inside they're still young CHILDREN, and while he is the one subjecting your DD to this, YOU need to be the one protecting her from it.

Vaxtable · 19/09/2025 00:11

Keep te CMS claim open, block him

keep telling your daughter she does not need to see her father, he’s a bully

I would also report for hmrc for tax evasion

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 18/09/2025 23:49

I couldn’t read the whole thing but it’s awful they have been exposed to this stress.
I would ask him to set up a direct debit of what he can afford each month to your account as it’s easier to budget that way.
and then I would report him for tax and benefit fraud

OnceIn · 18/09/2025 22:21

Keep going with the CMS claim

If he threatens suicide again, ring the police and ask for a welfare check

remove your dd from the abuse, stop her seeing her df

Rainbows41 · 18/09/2025 22:00

Mrincredibull · 18/09/2025 15:38

I only skim read but I can't see how old the kids are. Honestly I strongly believe in the autonomy of children over 12 and I would give her the choice of seeing him. He can go back to court if he wants to enforce it but he'll have a had time arguing it after threatening suicide to his teenage daughter.
I would also make sure you go over with both kids what real love is and that people who love you respect your boundaries (etc). You sound like a strong amazing woman and mother. (And fuck him, his shit is not your problem. )

Thank you, that means a lot.

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Mrincredibull · 18/09/2025 15:38

I only skim read but I can't see how old the kids are. Honestly I strongly believe in the autonomy of children over 12 and I would give her the choice of seeing him. He can go back to court if he wants to enforce it but he'll have a had time arguing it after threatening suicide to his teenage daughter.
I would also make sure you go over with both kids what real love is and that people who love you respect your boundaries (etc). You sound like a strong amazing woman and mother. (And fuck him, his shit is not your problem. )

seasid · 18/09/2025 14:48

My ex did this. He had an ‘agreement’’ outside of Cms where he controlled the money and held it over my head as a means to get his own way or he wouldn’t pay me. He was controlling and abusive so I went to Cms to avoid that. Well he is self employed and they said he didn’t have to pay a penny, I appealed and went to tribunal. Because I was investigating, my ex said he would pay more with the agreement outside of Cms if I only close the case. I refused and I won with tribunal and he has to pay as well as pay back the arrears (around £5k).

I would refuse and tell him that any finances won’t be discussed between you and only through cms. And I would personally be on the case of cms and appeal and appeal until you have the right to write to tribunal asking for your case to be investigated. In the meantime make a log of dates and things and gather all evidence you can.

dealing with an abusive/toxic ex who uses the kids as a means to abuse you through things like finances is horrendous and that’s why the system of CMS is there to prevent it. It’s just a shame that they can’t grasp that people work cash in hand, self employed etc and dodge paying. It’s also a shame that just because a parent is on benefits they don’t have to pay or pay minimum when the child doesn’t not need paying just because a parent is skint. If a resident parent is skint they have to borrow or take out loans, if a paying parent is skint they can just not pay - it doesn’t make sense. i reqlly wish you the best

bombastix · 18/09/2025 14:36

The day the government gives power to the CMS to run an AI algorithm on the bank accounts of feckless men like this will be sweet.

How many women and children would have their lives improved? A lot

sashh · 18/09/2025 14:33

Keep the claim open.

I would contact the HMRC. They can't give you information due to data protection but I would bet even money if he is hiding income he is not paying the correct tax.

rainbowstardrops · 18/09/2025 14:17

Oh your poor daughter. What a vile, woman hating prick your ex is. He’s clearly threatened by strong females standing up to him.
Definitely carry on with the CMS claim. He’s obviously fiddling his books but he won’t want people snooping too deeply into his accounts I’d imagine.

Motherofalittledragon · 18/09/2025 14:11

Carry on with the claim, and let him kill himself, horrid horrid man.

ChateauMargaux · 18/09/2025 13:50

And counselling for you, so you can maintain your strong position, can protect yourself from his emotional manipulation and support you to support your children.

ChateauMargaux · 18/09/2025 13:41

Do not drop the claim, he has a legal responsibility to his children.

I think you should look into family counselling for you and your children. There is no way that your daughter can not see the favouritism and it is very concerning that your son sees this as one up on his sister.

It would be useful to help your son see this situation through a lense of equality and fairness and also useful to help your daughter to see herself as worthy of respect, to see that she is not obliged to perform obedience to someone who treats her with distain and empower her to walk away from him instead of hoping for a change in his behaviour.

Maybe read about Fear, Obligation, Guilt, Golden Child and Scapegoat and look at the Stately Homes threads to see how this plays out in adulthood... you have the power to change this for both of them now. Your son can learn how to see this manipulation for what it is and the damage it causes to his mother and his sister and your daughter can learn that, while this is common, it does not have to be accepted, there are other ways to be.

SharkPants · 18/09/2025 13:39

This is appalling behaviour on his part. It's emotional abuse towards you and your daughter. She shouldn't know about any of this and should certainly not be being put in a position of passing on malicious messages to you or hearing that her father is suicidal, it's manipulative and coercive.
And why shouldn't he pay?! They are his children too, and whilst it is good that you can afford to provide for them, in what world does he think that it is acceptable to withhold financial support for his children's necessities?! The fact that you can cover it is not the point. It makes me so angry.
I would get her some counselling and I would alert someone who can help to his tactics here, social services early help might be able to advise, or even get a solicitor involved.
CMS have a lot to answer for. I am so fed up of hearing about these people who can hide their self employed earnings. I would continue to persist with the CMS claim.
For the record, I'm sort of in a similar boat, my son's father is apparently unable to pay towards his son's shoes or any sort of adequate support really, as he is apparently short of money. However, he is fully able to afford to take himself on a very expensive trip next week, staying in a hotel, drinking all day as well as trains there and back because apparently it will be good for him! What on earth is wrong with these dad's?!

Teachingagain · 18/09/2025 13:19

I would contact HMCR, contact police for a welfare check because you’re concerned he is going to attempt sucide (either it’s real and you should or it will stop him making up lies about it) and get some counselling support through college for your kids.

Rainbows41 · 18/09/2025 13:16

Itsanewlife · 18/09/2025 13:14

Oh gosh, life is about to get so much simpler! I use Talkingparents (the free version is good enough for communication and shared calendar), but there are others like 'Ourfamilywizard' etc

All communication is on the app - so no phonecalls/texts/emails. Everything is recorded and can be used in court (so a sensible human being will think twice before ranting/raging, although this doesn't seem to constrain my ex). And, you can't delete messages you've written (so again should mean you think twice before writing something).

Ooh I like the sound of that, I think I will give it a go. Thank you!

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Rainbows41 · 18/09/2025 13:15

Myfridgeiscool · 18/09/2025 13:06

Can you provide evidence that he’s working?

No, I have zero dealings with him.
I don't doubt that he has declared he is working to the government, but I strongly suspect he is not declaring all of his income - perhaps he had a dodgy accountant or is paid in cash a lot - I have no idea how he has gone from someone who seems to have cash a plenty to bring so broke they have zero'd the CM entitlement. I mean the sheer fact that he is offering to pay the kids costs proves that he isn't earning rock bottom, surely.
Shopping him to the tax department or to the DWP is not worth my energy tbh and I do believe in karma. He won't be able to keep up the lies and deceipt for too long. And if he does, then that's on his conscience.

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Itsanewlife · 18/09/2025 13:14

Oh gosh, life is about to get so much simpler! I use Talkingparents (the free version is good enough for communication and shared calendar), but there are others like 'Ourfamilywizard' etc

All communication is on the app - so no phonecalls/texts/emails. Everything is recorded and can be used in court (so a sensible human being will think twice before ranting/raging, although this doesn't seem to constrain my ex). And, you can't delete messages you've written (so again should mean you think twice before writing something).

Rainbows41 · 18/09/2025 13:10

Itsanewlife · 18/09/2025 13:04

These sorts of men are just looking for levers of control - if he is obliged to pay through CMS, he loses his leverage over you and the chance to provoke/abuse/rant/rage. Please put as many barriers (legal) and boundaries (only communicate through a co-parenting app, if you aren't already doing so, no other channel) between you and this nasty man. His mental health is his problem, certainly not yours.

What's this co-parenting app? I didn't know one existed.

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Myfridgeiscool · 18/09/2025 13:06

Can you provide evidence that he’s working?

Rainbows41 · 18/09/2025 13:04

Myfridgeiscool · 18/09/2025 12:29

He’s maybe ticked a box on a CMS form to tell them about his income. Mine told them his income was 1p a year! They believed him, it’s all been sorted out, took a fair while though. Get back onto the CMS and ask them to look at it again.

I have done this. I have spoken to CMS and asked for an MR and they said they cannot offer one due to him being in receipt of a government benefit.
She had a look at how the entitlement was calculated and because he has at least one of the DC's for one night a week, this is classed as shared care band A.
So that's that.
She said should he go back to work and come off benefits, they will look at whatever income he has provided as his earnings and base the entitlement on that. But ATM it's based on the entitlement to UC.

Edited to add - I did say he is already working, and this knowledge of him being on benefits is new info to me since applying for CM. She didn't comment any further.

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Itsanewlife · 18/09/2025 13:04

These sorts of men are just looking for levers of control - if he is obliged to pay through CMS, he loses his leverage over you and the chance to provoke/abuse/rant/rage. Please put as many barriers (legal) and boundaries (only communicate through a co-parenting app, if you aren't already doing so, no other channel) between you and this nasty man. His mental health is his problem, certainly not yours.

JustMyView13 · 18/09/2025 12:58

Keep the CMS claim open.
His problem is two fold. He wants / likes / requires absolute control.
He hates women / girls.
If he has no earnings to declare to CMS, and he’s legitimately claiming UC, he has nothing to worry about. But if he remains anxious / worried / stressed / [insert appropriate term] he should seek support from his GP.
(Yes, I can see straight through what he’s trying here)

WrylyAmused · 18/09/2025 12:51

Given what you said about your ex hiding his earnings etc, I would personally also be strongly considering reporting him to DWP for universal credit fraud, and to HMRC for likely fiddling his taxes. By the time all those investigations are done, you might find that you get a decent chunk of money from CMS assessment. No need for him to know you have specifically reported him - if you're continuing with the CMS claim (& you should), then it could easily just be natural fall out from that.