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To continue with my CMS claim when exp claims it is affecting his mental health?

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Rainbows41 · 18/09/2025 11:15

I recently put in a claim for CMS to cut all ties with exp. He had previously offered to pay only things related to dc's education and nothing more. I had been told by the DWP years ago that I didn't have to accept that, but at the time I had been on the receiving end of such mental and physical abuse from exp so I was willing to accept anything he offered so as to avoid any further upset.
Years and years later fast forward to now, he has ramped up the abusivrle behaviour again. I have noticed he seems to take pleasure from being asked for money for DC's school shoes/equipment/school travel etc. At times he has attempted to make me feel grabby for asking - by saying he thinks he has paid enough, ie dd's residential trip he paid for but refused to pay for her suitcase and equipment she needed to take with her.

Anyway I am far removed from the nonsense he likes to create and his latest outburst has highlighted just how far I have come in terms of just self growth alone, since leaving him all those years ago. It seems, he hasn't changed his ways and was just good at hiding them. He has started to take things out on my dd. This has crossed a line with me. I will not tolerate it.
IAt the beginning of the summer hols I made a claim to CMS just to cut ties with him altogether. Daughter then doesn't have to ask him for anything and he has no reason to create rows. What's interesting though is that ds doesn't see any of this - because it's not directed at him, only dd. Exp buys him whatever he wants and always offers him opportunities to "earn" pocket money (we're talking £50-£100 a time), whilst DD is left without - no earning opportunity, but she has said nothing.
He is self employed and had recently been blosting how much he was earning whilst still being nasty towards DD. He has been very abusive towards her and her friendships (something he used to do to isolate me). She snapped and told him he was out of order. I decided for her sake (and mine secretly), that a CMS claim would give him one less thing to control and abuse.

CMS have come back and said dc's are entitled to zero. Apparently he is relying on universal credit and has swindled his earnings to make it look like he is earning the bare minimum. I was fully expecting him to hide his earnings, and it hasn't surprised me he has done this.
I am financially in a position to cover anything my children need and want, so not relying on him to cover educational bits is no problem for me. At the end of the summer hols I would have usually asked him for money to pay for DC's school travel passes along with some uniform and stationary bits. I have covered these now myself.
The day after I was informed by CMS of the zero entitlement, exp contacted DC's individually and told them to each pass on a message to me : "this is the last time and I mean it, I am offering mum one last chance to accept my offer of going back to the former agreement". I listened to my DC's telling me this and I didn't respond whether I would accept or not (I was in shock if truth be told at the sheer audacity of exp).
DD asked dad directly whether he would pay mum the bus pass money, and he told her no and said, I quote "this is what happens when mum messes with fire - she gets burned!". I couldn't believe it when she told me that. He said he would only pay anything they needed from this point forward and will not reimburse anything I had already covered. He also requested that I cancel the CMS claim and only then he would think about paying their costs, yet unsurprisingly he has purchased equipment for ds he needs for college whilst dangling this CMS claim over daughters head as leverage.
However, he is still harassing dd about it and has ramped up the abuse. He is threatening to kill himself over it. He has told her that hers and my actions have caused his mental health to decline rapidly.
I had previously blocked him, since the beginning of the summer hols. However, due to the abuse towards DD I have had to resume contact and tell him to back off! I have asked him why he is so upset over it all when CMS aren't even taking a penny from him. He won't say, but I think he doesn't want the trouble of having to continuously hide his earnings from the government. That's not my problem. That's his.
I had told him last night that if he carries on with his coercive behaviour towards DD then I will get the police and ss involved and they will look closely at his mental health to decide whether he is actually fit to be around my DC's. When son came home last night, after his suicidal threats, he had no idea of anything being untoward. I casually asked him if he has spoken to dad today, he said yes. I asked how he seemed. Son said he was absolutely fine and asked me why. I knew he was just ramping up for my daughter and playing a callous act. Do this is why I added in my message that the police and ss will look into his mental health, so as to call him out on his bullshit
After my message was sent, he started taking it out on DD and messaging her about it! He was asking her what he should do, he feels so mentally unstable and it's all mums fault.
I cannot believe he did this and I am at my wits end. I haven't messaged him since. I've said what I needed to and I absolutely mean what I said. I don't do 'he said/she said"
' nonsense, nor do I take part in any kind of tit for tat.
Daughter is becoming very confused and worn down by it all and has asked me to cancel the CMS claim as she wants all this to stop. She says she doesn't know whether to be on dad's side or mine and is confused as he keeps saying stuff about me. I have calmly explained to her there are no sides to take. I explained that people can easily say things but their actions will always reveal the truth. I told her she can make up her own mind about dad and I will never judge her or love her any less. I have advised her that she would benefit from some counselling sessions away from me and dad, so that she can let off some steam and get unbiased advice.
I have explained that her dad seems to be going through some kind of mental decline and that he shouldn't be taking it out on her.
I was very careful not to give her too much advice as she was in information overload. But at the same time I didn't want her to be left with all those negative thoughts whirling around her mind festering. She was upset that I had messaged dad and had gotten involved. She demanded to read my message, so I showed her. None of it was nasty. No name calling or insulting text, just facts.
She looked at ease after reading it and actually told me she thought it was a good message (teenagers?!).
As I said I've blocked him again. I told her it would be better if she gives him some space and avoid him for the time being so he can calm down and work out what's going on his head. She also needs to decompress.
She said she was worried he was going to use her giving him space against her for when she does eventually go and see him.
I advised her to put his messages into the archive folder, so that she can look at them along with any new messages when she is in a better place, if she so chooses to.

I don't know what to do now. I don't want to close down the claim. I shouldn't have to. He is making out that I am being unfair and causing issues. I'm literally doing the right thing by cutting him off from me, and removing his "power".

I did say to him in my message that when he asked the kids to tell me about his "last offer", they also told me he wanted me to set up a bank account for DD (son already has one), so that he can pay money into that for educational bits, rather than paying me directly. I have since, set this account up for DD and when telling him about it in my message, he relied saying he would prefer to set up his own account and pay money into that instead. I know exactly why he has said that. It's to avoid paying my daughter anything at all and still keep control of anything he intends to put aside for her and use that as leverage in fiture. It's all controlling bollox.
I'm taking her out on the weekend to buy her the bits she needs. I've advised her not to ask him for another thing.

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femfemlicious · 21/09/2025 09:41

Kavita12 · 18/09/2025 12:38

You need to take your emotions out of the equasion here and think about your daughter.
From what you are saying here, you want to continue your CMS claim to make your ex's life hard - it won't bring you any money, it's just to make him angry and provoke some kind of revenge. The rage is directed towards your daughter.
You say you don't really need the money.
Your daughter wants to continue to see dad. The immoral thing that you're trying to do here is to try to further sour the relationship and force your daughter to go NC with her dad because of the fight between you and ex.
It is for your daughter to make her decisions in the future and draw her own conclusions. By putting even more pressure on your ex (you know you won't get any money anyway, so it's just to spite him), you are making things even worse for her as things stand. He won't change and things will be even worse.

I know many ladies here have gone through some bad relationships and cheer you on, but you're really not giving your daughter any favours. She might hate you for this fight in the future, 'cause she might remember things differently.

Are you a man?. This is how men reason. Everything must be done to placate you to avoid " trouble " even when what you are doing is wrong.

You are calling her spiteful for trying to get a set amount of child maintenance from the father of the children so that she doesn't have to jeep begging him and he is doing everything to scupper that. Instead of castigating him for being wicked, you are telling her to keep kowtowing to him to "keep the peace".

What is this teaching her daughter?. She will end up with a man that tries to Lord It over her as well because she has been taught that is how men are!!!

femfemlicious · 21/09/2025 09:33

2catsandhappy · 21/09/2025 06:54

How on earth did he get a new house with no income?
Stick with the claim!

@Rainbows41 also report him to hmrc and universal credit. I'm sure they can look into his finances . Don't let him keep getting away with it. With regards to your daughter I think you need to tell explain to her that what he is doing is wrong. Try to find a way to remove his emotional hold over her.

femfemlicious · 21/09/2025 09:28

Rainbows41 · 18/09/2025 12:20

Exp had previously wanted them on separate weekends as he didn't have the bed space to have them both at the same time. But he has recently moved into a much bigger, and quite luxurious house with ample room. The former arrangement has gone out the window, but it's hard to keep track on who goes when and whose turn it is as DS likes to go off to his friends house a lot more these days, and daughter is starting to do this also.
Does he see the favouritism? Sadly I don't think he does, or if he does he isn't letting up. They are teenagers close in age and I think he has seen his dad's past acts of favouritism as a 'one-up' on his sister. As he gets older, and more mature, he will see it for what it is.

Edited

Are you sure he will see it as wrong?. If this has been normalised to him, he may not see it or may see it and agree that he deserves better treatment because he is a "man". He may think he is more deserving because he is male. There is a lot to watch out for here.

You need to sit down with him and try to make him see his dad is wrong.

BookArt55 · 21/09/2025 07:29

Please log this suicidal threats.
I agree with counselling for your daughter.
Maybe explaining to daughter that going no contact with dad would mean he couldn't make her feel guilty. She could get a new phone number, and have peace. I feel for you both, no wonder she is confused. I would inform school also, this will naturally be affecting her and again it puts it ok record if she does decide to go no contact.
Don't respond to him again, all it does is show him how to get to you and daughter, he won't stop, he will just continue to get that attention. Just report to SS, the police.
Coercive control- your daughter is living it right now. Suicidal threats is an obvious one. But all the other bits too. She needs help understanding this. Therapy needs to be with someone who understands this, not just any old therapist.
Feel for you both. My children are very young, but this is their future. Son is very much treated better than daughter. Cms was affecting his mental health too, everything is my fault, goes at the kids to get to me. So anything that supports your children please can you share over the coning month as I need to bank it away to support them in their teen years.
Wishing you and your family all the luck.

historyrepeatz · 21/09/2025 07:11

What a nasty piece of work, my only thing to add is to take photos when DD shows you these messages from her dad so you have the evidence with you.

Toesy · 21/09/2025 07:07

OP, you and your daughter are the victims of emotional abuse for many years.

This will have taken a toll on her mental health, whether you realise it or not.

Contact Women's aid about your daughter.
Contact SS and ask for advice.

His threats of self harm should have been reported to 101, every time.
This is Coercive control, which is a crime.

Just because your daughter seems fine, doesn't mean she is.

His behaviour has been hugely abusive of her.

I would absolutely be doing everything I can to get her into counselling asap.

2catsandhappy · 21/09/2025 06:54

How on earth did he get a new house with no income?
Stick with the claim!

JMSA · 21/09/2025 03:56

Yup, it’s tough shit for him. What a horrible man.

mammat72 · 21/09/2025 03:48

if your daughter doesn't want to see him she should just block his number and get her some counselling. the man sounds like a bully, narcissist and your daughter needs to know she doesn't have to tolerate that. also screen shot all the threats and keep a record and send to CMS and keep in case you have to go to court. dont enter into conversation with him that's what he wants. do not close cms case down you need to be honest with the kids that he is emotionally abusive and its not right. men like this boil my blood

mammat72 · 21/09/2025 03:42

Rainbows41 · 18/09/2025 11:15

I recently put in a claim for CMS to cut all ties with exp. He had previously offered to pay only things related to dc's education and nothing more. I had been told by the DWP years ago that I didn't have to accept that, but at the time I had been on the receiving end of such mental and physical abuse from exp so I was willing to accept anything he offered so as to avoid any further upset.
Years and years later fast forward to now, he has ramped up the abusivrle behaviour again. I have noticed he seems to take pleasure from being asked for money for DC's school shoes/equipment/school travel etc. At times he has attempted to make me feel grabby for asking - by saying he thinks he has paid enough, ie dd's residential trip he paid for but refused to pay for her suitcase and equipment she needed to take with her.

Anyway I am far removed from the nonsense he likes to create and his latest outburst has highlighted just how far I have come in terms of just self growth alone, since leaving him all those years ago. It seems, he hasn't changed his ways and was just good at hiding them. He has started to take things out on my dd. This has crossed a line with me. I will not tolerate it.
IAt the beginning of the summer hols I made a claim to CMS just to cut ties with him altogether. Daughter then doesn't have to ask him for anything and he has no reason to create rows. What's interesting though is that ds doesn't see any of this - because it's not directed at him, only dd. Exp buys him whatever he wants and always offers him opportunities to "earn" pocket money (we're talking £50-£100 a time), whilst DD is left without - no earning opportunity, but she has said nothing.
He is self employed and had recently been blosting how much he was earning whilst still being nasty towards DD. He has been very abusive towards her and her friendships (something he used to do to isolate me). She snapped and told him he was out of order. I decided for her sake (and mine secretly), that a CMS claim would give him one less thing to control and abuse.

CMS have come back and said dc's are entitled to zero. Apparently he is relying on universal credit and has swindled his earnings to make it look like he is earning the bare minimum. I was fully expecting him to hide his earnings, and it hasn't surprised me he has done this.
I am financially in a position to cover anything my children need and want, so not relying on him to cover educational bits is no problem for me. At the end of the summer hols I would have usually asked him for money to pay for DC's school travel passes along with some uniform and stationary bits. I have covered these now myself.
The day after I was informed by CMS of the zero entitlement, exp contacted DC's individually and told them to each pass on a message to me : "this is the last time and I mean it, I am offering mum one last chance to accept my offer of going back to the former agreement". I listened to my DC's telling me this and I didn't respond whether I would accept or not (I was in shock if truth be told at the sheer audacity of exp).
DD asked dad directly whether he would pay mum the bus pass money, and he told her no and said, I quote "this is what happens when mum messes with fire - she gets burned!". I couldn't believe it when she told me that. He said he would only pay anything they needed from this point forward and will not reimburse anything I had already covered. He also requested that I cancel the CMS claim and only then he would think about paying their costs, yet unsurprisingly he has purchased equipment for ds he needs for college whilst dangling this CMS claim over daughters head as leverage.
However, he is still harassing dd about it and has ramped up the abuse. He is threatening to kill himself over it. He has told her that hers and my actions have caused his mental health to decline rapidly.
I had previously blocked him, since the beginning of the summer hols. However, due to the abuse towards DD I have had to resume contact and tell him to back off! I have asked him why he is so upset over it all when CMS aren't even taking a penny from him. He won't say, but I think he doesn't want the trouble of having to continuously hide his earnings from the government. That's not my problem. That's his.
I had told him last night that if he carries on with his coercive behaviour towards DD then I will get the police and ss involved and they will look closely at his mental health to decide whether he is actually fit to be around my DC's. When son came home last night, after his suicidal threats, he had no idea of anything being untoward. I casually asked him if he has spoken to dad today, he said yes. I asked how he seemed. Son said he was absolutely fine and asked me why. I knew he was just ramping up for my daughter and playing a callous act. Do this is why I added in my message that the police and ss will look into his mental health, so as to call him out on his bullshit
After my message was sent, he started taking it out on DD and messaging her about it! He was asking her what he should do, he feels so mentally unstable and it's all mums fault.
I cannot believe he did this and I am at my wits end. I haven't messaged him since. I've said what I needed to and I absolutely mean what I said. I don't do 'he said/she said"
' nonsense, nor do I take part in any kind of tit for tat.
Daughter is becoming very confused and worn down by it all and has asked me to cancel the CMS claim as she wants all this to stop. She says she doesn't know whether to be on dad's side or mine and is confused as he keeps saying stuff about me. I have calmly explained to her there are no sides to take. I explained that people can easily say things but their actions will always reveal the truth. I told her she can make up her own mind about dad and I will never judge her or love her any less. I have advised her that she would benefit from some counselling sessions away from me and dad, so that she can let off some steam and get unbiased advice.
I have explained that her dad seems to be going through some kind of mental decline and that he shouldn't be taking it out on her.
I was very careful not to give her too much advice as she was in information overload. But at the same time I didn't want her to be left with all those negative thoughts whirling around her mind festering. She was upset that I had messaged dad and had gotten involved. She demanded to read my message, so I showed her. None of it was nasty. No name calling or insulting text, just facts.
She looked at ease after reading it and actually told me she thought it was a good message (teenagers?!).
As I said I've blocked him again. I told her it would be better if she gives him some space and avoid him for the time being so he can calm down and work out what's going on his head. She also needs to decompress.
She said she was worried he was going to use her giving him space against her for when she does eventually go and see him.
I advised her to put his messages into the archive folder, so that she can look at them along with any new messages when she is in a better place, if she so chooses to.

I don't know what to do now. I don't want to close down the claim. I shouldn't have to. He is making out that I am being unfair and causing issues. I'm literally doing the right thing by cutting him off from me, and removing his "power".

I did say to him in my message that when he asked the kids to tell me about his "last offer", they also told me he wanted me to set up a bank account for DD (son already has one), so that he can pay money into that for educational bits, rather than paying me directly. I have since, set this account up for DD and when telling him about it in my message, he relied saying he would prefer to set up his own account and pay money into that instead. I know exactly why he has said that. It's to avoid paying my daughter anything at all and still keep control of anything he intends to put aside for her and use that as leverage in fiture. It's all controlling bollox.
I'm taking her out on the weekend to buy her the bits she needs. I've advised her not to ask him for another thing.

sorry i gave up reading at the threat to kill himself as from all said up to that part its clear to see his is a narcissist. all about controlling and thinking he is in charge. you've said it yourself he is emotionally and financially abusive. i would screen shot any messages and send them to the CMS. it depends on your kids ages and how you can manage financially. personally i would not be subjecting my daughter to a man like that, even if its her father. you know what his behavior has done to you, so imagine how mentally confused your daughter must feel being subjected to his behavior. i would be totally honest and say his behavior is not how you treat someone otherwise your daughter will accept being treated like that by men when she is older. personally i would get a restraining order the fact hes threatening suicide get courts to stop contact as mentally unstable i wouldnt tolerate the mental abuse of my child tbh

Givenupshopping · 19/09/2025 19:51

Rainbows41 · 19/09/2025 07:41

Thank you for your replies.
Rest assured I have been making up the dad's shortfall to DD in everything he has given ds that he neglected to give DD.
I will have a conversation with her today, now that she is calmer, and insist that she block him and not see him. I will call his bluff every time he threatens suicide.
I will also have a chat with ds about all of this, as I can see his dad has favourited him and he is now old enough to have this conversation. He needs to know DD won't he going over there anymore and the reasons why.

I was pleased to read your response to my post OP, and glad that you've been in a position to make up to your DD for her father's disgusting favouritism towards her brother, with regard to the financial side of things.

Rainbows41 · 19/09/2025 11:58

Greyhound98 · 19/09/2025 11:02

Can you afford a hit man?

This comment wins! I wish...

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Greyhound98 · 19/09/2025 11:02

Can you afford a hit man?

Hardhaton1 · 19/09/2025 10:57

In my experience people who commit suicide don’t announce it months or weeks before they commit suicide.

Ignore his idle threats because that’s all they are

spicetails · 19/09/2025 10:55

Ignore him and carry on. He doesn’t just get to do what he wants to his children(s) detriment because of ‘mental health’

oviraptor21 · 19/09/2025 10:52

Please do appeal the CMS decision. Evidence the new house, the phone contracts , the car he drives and every bit of spending you hear about. What work does he do? Can you get him to talk about it to DS?

katmarie · 19/09/2025 10:37

You say he recently moved house into a more expensive property. You can check with the land registry who is named as the owner of that house, and when it was purchased, and I think it might tell you the purchase value too. It'll cost you £3 to get the report from the land reg. I would, if I were in your position, get a copy of that information, and if he is named as the owner, send it to CMS and HMRC and ask them to investigate how he's been able to purchase the property, and yet have no income to support his kids.

MuggleMe · 19/09/2025 09:12

It'll sure be interesting to see him renew his mortgage on his expensive house if he 'has been on benefits' for the last few years. Definitely don't drop the claim.

I'm so sorry he's being so manipulative towards your DD. What a bastard.

ARichtGoodDram · 19/09/2025 08:41

I'd report him to HMRC and UC for clearly fiddling his figures. Especially if you have that in a text from him.

How old are your children? He shouldn't be anywhere near your DD with his abuse of her - is their contact court ordered?

Nighttimeistherightime · 19/09/2025 08:22

Keep going with the claim. My ex has lied through his teeth for years (paid nothing and doesn’t see them) and yesterday I was told payments would finally start as they have found out the truth about his earnings through HMRC. I look forward to his FB posts about toxic women!

EverybodyLTB · 19/09/2025 08:18

I’m a big believer in giving kids the truth about their father's behaviour. I’ve done it with my children and it helps them to understand it’s not about them, it’s about their dad’s disordered personality and abusive behaviour. I would be point blank refusing for them to go and explaining to them precisely why. Your son needs to understand that he’s been used in triangulation, to abuse your DD by using him as the golden child in comparison, and frankly the abuse of your DD is just a substitute for abusing you.

When I stopped engaging with my EXH he started being abusive to my eldest in almost a textbook manner, you could almost see him mentally searching for a way to get at me. Which it did. Keep up the CMS, tell your children he’s a manipulator and abuser, and report him to HMRC. Ring an ambulance every time he threatens suicide and let SS know he abuses your daughter when she’s there, for backup if it goes to court. Archive/keep all records of his abuse.

FirstCuppa · 19/09/2025 07:51

Don't be pressured into giving up the claim - you're doing it for the kids so it's on him how drawn out and difficult he wants to make it. In Court the Judges don't look favourably on people who dick the CMS about and then claim trauma.

Rainbows41 · 19/09/2025 07:41

Thank you for your replies.
Rest assured I have been making up the dad's shortfall to DD in everything he has given ds that he neglected to give DD.
I will have a conversation with her today, now that she is calmer, and insist that she block him and not see him. I will call his bluff every time he threatens suicide.
I will also have a chat with ds about all of this, as I can see his dad has favourited him and he is now old enough to have this conversation. He needs to know DD won't he going over there anymore and the reasons why.

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nomas · 19/09/2025 01:17

If you can afford it, I would be speaking to a solicitor about the possibility of limiting his contact with her to a supervise phone call once a week.

If you have evidence of his emotional abuse of dd, I would use it.

Don’t drop the CMS claim. Let him keep driving down his salary, hopefully it screws him up.

99bottlesofkombucha · 19/09/2025 00:47

Also tell her a parent needs to support their child or they don’t deserve to be a parent, and if dds dads messages are unkind or unfair you will be blocking his phone contact too. Then you start the app, send him an email explaining all of the above, that you only communicate via the app and that he won’t be seeing dd until you see consistent clear evidence he is being fair to her, and he won’t be seeing either child if his mental health is too poor.
maybe don’t put the court application in, maybe make him do the work there. You just block access and document all contact. Protect your dd- this is absolutely damaging her.