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Husband not been paying tax for years

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Shitsinthepost77 · 18/09/2025 09:41

I'm so worried and scared. Over a year ago two debt collectors came to our door and handed me a letter addressed to my husband. I opened it and it said we owed approx £500k to the taxman. I nearly collapsed.

When my husband came home I confronted him and he basically broke down saying he hadn't been paying tax on his Ltd company for about 5 years. He'd liquidised his company without my knowledge and taken me off as Company Secretary presumably so I wouldn't find out and to extricate me from any financial liability. We had to get a tax lawyer to negotiate on our behalf with the debt collectors and after many months of wrangling, my husband told me it was £64k we owed which we could put our savings towards and also set up a direct debit and pay the rest monthly.

Fast forward a year, I had two debt collectors standing at my front door. It turns out my husband has been lying about the amount owed...it's in actual fact £150k. I'm horrified, my heart's racing as I'm writing this. He told me over the phone he'd used £30k of our son's trust fund money towards it. He told me he's incapable of saying no to me (?!) and he knows he's got emotional problems.

I don't understand any of this...I'm in my 50s, yes, I like nice things (who doesn't) but never overspent in terms of the money that's in our account and was surplus after all bills are paid. He didn't come home last night, he's too ashamed and embarrassed and keeps telling me he's no good and I deserve better. I've been with this man for over 30 years and can't imagine life without him, although I massively resent him at this point.

I found out he'd taken his watch (a present for his 50th) to a pawnbroker to get a £1,500 per loan against the watch. He said it was to pay off the rest owed to the tax lawyer. I asked (shouted) why the hell did he not come to me as I'd managed to put some money aside. Again, he was too embarrassed and said he just wanted it sorted and out the way. I ended up giving him over £2k to get the watch back.

I'm worried sick. How on earth do I deal with this without knowing whether he's lying or not? I don't have access to his business account because I'm not company secretary. I have access to everything else (I think?).

I'm mostly disgusted at my son's trust fund. He's 21, and it was meant to be for a down payment on a flat at some point. Now there's nothing. My son's now aware of this and thinks I should leave his dad as he can't be trusted. What do you think? Any advice would be extremely welcome.

OP posts:
Malcthecat · 18/09/2025 14:58

If you divorce the money from the house will go to pay off anything that's owed. You need legal advice from someone who knows about money. Don't do anything before finding out the facts. Not sure it being a Ltd company protects you from the tax man.

Hoppinggreen · 18/09/2025 14:57

ClawedButler · 18/09/2025 14:25

If he's still a limited company, they cannot take personal assets to pay the debt. I doubt very much (as a PP said, he's most likely been banned) this is the case. If they're knocking on your door, it's most likely he is personally responsible for the debt.

Once again, HMRC can in some circumstances hold Directors of a LTD company personally liable for company debts

Crazyworldmum · 18/09/2025 14:56

I know you have been married for years have kids ext but he will drag you down . He used your child’s money for Christ sake you need to open your eyes that’s not a red flag that’s a red country !!

Bruisername · 18/09/2025 14:52

I have little experience with v small company accountants so will take your word!

but you definitely need a tax specialist (which it sounds like he got) when negotiating with HMRC

the last thing he needs is a criminal record for fraud or to be made bankrupt as that could jeopardise his job

They’ll Be no early retirement but on that salary and at his age you can pull this back

Bambamhoohoo · 18/09/2025 14:47

Bruisername · 18/09/2025 14:43

@Bambamhoohoo
whilst they wouldn’t know where the cash was I think they would most likely suspect because they would most likely ask to see bank statements etc. but also more because this has been going on so long

although from what op said - perhaps the accountants came in quite late and were the ones who asked him what was going on!!

the point on the tax owed not being 500k and being 150k suggests there were quite a lot of penalties racking up which they’ve reduced - most likely because the accountants have been helping

They really can’t and won’t. Your accountant has no responsibility or obligation to make you pay your tax. They would never ask to see your bank statement as as they have no right to and you would simply say no (and sack them) truthfully, because it’s not their responsibility or business they don’t particularly care anyway.

you can of course hire an accountant or tax lawyer specifically to help with your tax problems and negotiate on your behalf. This isn’t the same scope or role as the accountant who does your stat accounts/ tax returns etc

Bushmillsbabe · 18/09/2025 14:47

Millionsofmonkeys · 18/09/2025 14:26

If you are two people plus a single 21 year old living in an 8 bedroom house you can very easily solve this. Sell the house, Buy a 3 bed house outright and use the excess to pay off your debts. Get rid of the Porsche as well. I can't believe you were thinking of going to your sister or elderly parents to bail you out. You easily have the assets to bail yourselves out. Take responsibility, and stop living like you are Porsche and champagne earners when in reality you are VW Golf and prosecco earners.

Absolutely this.
There are many lovely smaller houses you could downsize into, 2 people do not need an 8 bedroom house.
Between downsizing and selling the Porsche, could raise the 150k needed to pay the tax bill. The practical side of this can be very easily resolved. The moral side of it though - much more challenging.

As others have said - how you could think you could live like this on that salary is really strange. You may not see the all the bank accounts but you would know how much things cost. DH and I earn just under 100k between us. With tax allowances, it's probably quite similar (after tax) to the 130k that your husband earns - I know he wasn't paying tax OP but you said you thought he was.
We live in a 4 bed house, drive 2 skoda's bought second hand, have 1 holiday a year.
As a poster said you were living way beyond your means, I just can't understand how you didn't know that?

Here4the · 18/09/2025 14:44

There are lots of places now for training returners. I'd try a bootcamp with someone like ivee.

Holidaytimeyay · 18/09/2025 14:43

YourLemonTiger · 18/09/2025 14:16

That's what I'd like to know. Having helped our older children access theirs once they turned 18 i know it's not a simple process AND you have to be the named person on the account to access it.

I think it must depend if it just a bank account held in trust for child or a proper trust fund. I have just removed the money from my child’s bank account held in trust by me for them and closed it down. DC was happy with this and made aware of it as I will transfer money to them (they are an adult) but I didn’t need to get their permission.

Allisnotlost1 · 18/09/2025 14:43

InterestedDad37 · 18/09/2025 09:52

Leave him, taking what you can.
I'd also say he's a suicide high risk, but that is not on you. I don't mean this lightly, and I don't say it to shock or to upset, and obviously I hope that doesn't happen. It's just that factually, it's kind of classic case.

This was my thought too. What a terrible situation OP, I feel for you. You say you live him so divorce might not feel like the right thing for you but you do need to protect your finances, especially your home. Can you get independent legal advice?

Bruisername · 18/09/2025 14:43

@Bambamhoohoo
whilst they wouldn’t know where the cash was I think they would most likely suspect because they would most likely ask to see bank statements etc. but also more because this has been going on so long

although from what op said - perhaps the accountants came in quite late and were the ones who asked him what was going on!!

the point on the tax owed not being 500k and being 150k suggests there were quite a lot of penalties racking up which they’ve reduced - most likely because the accountants have been helping

ProfessorSlocombe · 18/09/2025 14:41

Hoppinggreen · 18/09/2025 13:14

Are directors personally liable or responsible for company debts?
A company director can be held personally liable for the debts of their company in certain instances. Any debts belonging to the company which have been secured with a personal guarantee will need to be repaid by the director should the company become insolvent and subsequently enter liquidation. Directors can also be held liable for company debts should he or she be found guilty of misconduct or fraud.

For anyone who keeps insisting that a LTD company means Directors have no personal liability

The idea of a limited company is in the title. It is intended to limit a persons losses to what the company owns and owes.

If a company is able to borrow money, and go bust, the there is a well established principle for creditors to try to recoup their losses. Generally, taxman, secured creditors, unsecured creditors.

However, as pointed out previously, this all goes up in flames if a director or directors engage in fraudulent activity. Then they can become criminally liable, as well as personally liable for their debts.

Obviously recovering any monies is a different ball game.

Larrythebloodycat · 18/09/2025 14:41

Shitsinthepost77 · 18/09/2025 10:30

The thought of being on my own terrifies me. I also doubt i could trust another man....

With all due sympathy, I don't see how you could ever trust your husband again. So you might have to enter the next phase of your life in the knowledge that only you can be relied on to provide for yourself and your son.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 18/09/2025 14:39

Millionsofmonkeys · 18/09/2025 14:26

If you are two people plus a single 21 year old living in an 8 bedroom house you can very easily solve this. Sell the house, Buy a 3 bed house outright and use the excess to pay off your debts. Get rid of the Porsche as well. I can't believe you were thinking of going to your sister or elderly parents to bail you out. You easily have the assets to bail yourselves out. Take responsibility, and stop living like you are Porsche and champagne earners when in reality you are VW Golf and prosecco earners.

Yes, this in spades. Cut your cloth accordingly, as my mum loves to say.

Bambamhoohoo · 18/09/2025 14:38

Bruisername · 18/09/2025 14:32

No agreed the accountants aren’t responsible but I’m surprised they didn’t pick it up earlier. No accountant wants to be connected with tax evasion

I'm not sure OP has full story so which tax it is could be wrong

in terms of the company - HMRC can block liquidation so it may still exist

ETA the VAT man is definitely the most brutal!!

Edited

How? An accountant can’t see into your bank account to see if you’ve paid. If they aren’t authorised as your agent they can’t talk to HMRC. They have no idea whether you’ve paid or not.

accountants aren’t associated with evasion unless they’re actually involved. Every high street accountant has a % of clients who don’t pay their tax

Bruisername · 18/09/2025 14:38

So all in all you owe the mortgage company 100k and HMRC 150k and your son 30k

your DH earns 130k

you claim to have an 8 bed house worth 400k. Is that true? Perhaps get an estate agent round

so you need to release equity and seriously tighten your belts

you are actually in an extremely fortunate position because you do actually have the money

does he have a pension? Do you?

Millionsofmonkeys · 18/09/2025 14:35

Shitsinthepost77 · 18/09/2025 14:30

Nope, you've got that very wrong. I never said that nor would I consider it.

You said,
"But there's no way we can pay this off without remortgaging. Savings are all gone. I can't turn to family. My elderly mum needs her savings and my sister has always appeared to be resentful of me it would appear."

So it looks like you have considered and ruled them out. I am deeply skeptical that you didn't also consider that 3 people do not need an 8 bed house....the only option is to remortgage? Any numpty can see you have options.

Whatislife73 · 18/09/2025 14:35

Bambamhoohoo · 18/09/2025 14:00

I understood the clause that life insurance doesn’t pay out of sucide had been ruled illegal years ago- as it should, for being discriminatory

I thought the same but didn’t want to say this. I think it’s now it won’t pay within a time limit to stop people taking out insurance and then ending their life.

Bruisername · 18/09/2025 14:32

Bambamhoohoo · 18/09/2025 14:31

Your accountant doesn’t ensure you pay the tax. They can help you calculate it.

Op said it’s income tax but I wondered if it’s VAT too. Although they probably would’ve made him bankrupt by now 😭

No agreed the accountants aren’t responsible but I’m surprised they didn’t pick it up earlier. No accountant wants to be connected with tax evasion

I'm not sure OP has full story so which tax it is could be wrong

in terms of the company - HMRC can block liquidation so it may still exist

ETA the VAT man is definitely the most brutal!!

Bambamhoohoo · 18/09/2025 14:31

Bruisername · 18/09/2025 14:29

There’s no detail here - if he’s not been paying corporation tax he would be barred from winding the company up and there would be a risk of worse consequences if the money isn’t paid

or is it VAT or employment taxes? Has he been paying the OP when she hasn’t actually done anything

he hasn’t forgotten to pay tax. This is tax evasion of the stupidest kind and it would be far better for him to accept he has to pay it rather than go down the ‘it’s a limited company’ route

i do wonder what your accountants have been doing and how long they’ve been involved

Your accountant doesn’t ensure you pay the tax. They can help you calculate it.

Op said it’s income tax but I wondered if it’s VAT too. Although they probably would’ve made him bankrupt by now 😭

PinkyFlamingo · 18/09/2025 14:30

Trendyname · 18/09/2025 13:06

Are you a lawyer or an accountant?

Angela Rayner didn’t go to jail, nor did Nigel Farage.

Edited

No but it happened to my ex husband

Shitsinthepost77 · 18/09/2025 14:30

Millionsofmonkeys · 18/09/2025 14:26

If you are two people plus a single 21 year old living in an 8 bedroom house you can very easily solve this. Sell the house, Buy a 3 bed house outright and use the excess to pay off your debts. Get rid of the Porsche as well. I can't believe you were thinking of going to your sister or elderly parents to bail you out. You easily have the assets to bail yourselves out. Take responsibility, and stop living like you are Porsche and champagne earners when in reality you are VW Golf and prosecco earners.

Nope, you've got that very wrong. I never said that nor would I consider it.

OP posts:
Bruisername · 18/09/2025 14:29

There’s no detail here - if he’s not been paying corporation tax he would be barred from winding the company up and there would be a risk of worse consequences if the money isn’t paid

or is it VAT or employment taxes? Has he been paying the OP when she hasn’t actually done anything

he hasn’t forgotten to pay tax. This is tax evasion of the stupidest kind and it would be far better for him to accept he has to pay it rather than go down the ‘it’s a limited company’ route

i do wonder what your accountants have been doing and how long they’ve been involved

Bambamhoohoo · 18/09/2025 14:29

LidlAmaretto · 18/09/2025 14:28

Sole traders are personally liable for any debt. If its a limited company the liability is limited.

This has all been covered previously in the thread and it’s also clear what the situation with OPs husband was

Bambamhoohoo · 18/09/2025 14:28

ScarletVelvetSlippers · 18/09/2025 14:26

My husband (as far as I was aware) paid tax via his business account which i don't have access to. Yes, I should have pushed to see this but I genuinely (until a year ago) thought anything was amiss.

As the Company Secretary you are liable for checking all of this and are as responsible as he was.

A CS has to make sure all the tax/ finances are in order. You would/should have had access to the accounts- that was YOUR JOB as CS.

In a small limited company, the company secretary primarily manages statutory and administrative duties on behalf of the directors, ensuring compliance with legal requirements. Key responsibilities include maintaining company records, filing necessary documents with Companies House (like annual confirmation statements), and organizing board and shareholder meetings. They also act as a point of contact, handle share transfers, and can sign legal documents on behalf of the company.

Key Responsibilities
Statutory Records:
Maintaining registers of directors, shareholders, and meeting minutes.

Companies House Filings:
Submitting the annual confirmation statement, updating details of changes to the company, and ensuring accurate information is filed on time.

Meeting Management:
Organizing director and shareholder meetings, preparing agendas, and recording minutes.

Share Management:
Managing share transfers, issuing new share certificates, and acting as the primary contact for shareholding matters.

Legal & Administrative Support:
Signing legal and financial documents, advising directors on legal and statutory requirements, and handling various other administrative tasks.

Did you ever actually do anything in that role?

None of this makes sense.

Edited

I think you’re being naive. Someone sticking their wife on CH as co sec is very normal. As I said, often your accountant goes on- they’re not taking minutes at the board meeting 😂

no one checks or enforces that co secs are doing this, I doubt most do.

LidlAmaretto · 18/09/2025 14:28

Bambamhoohoo · 18/09/2025 14:23

Highly likely he would’ve been banned although that does take time, it usually would’ve been done by now.

why is it very important?

Sole traders are personally liable for any debt. If its a limited company the liability is limited.