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Husband not been paying tax for years

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Shitsinthepost77 · 18/09/2025 09:41

I'm so worried and scared. Over a year ago two debt collectors came to our door and handed me a letter addressed to my husband. I opened it and it said we owed approx £500k to the taxman. I nearly collapsed.

When my husband came home I confronted him and he basically broke down saying he hadn't been paying tax on his Ltd company for about 5 years. He'd liquidised his company without my knowledge and taken me off as Company Secretary presumably so I wouldn't find out and to extricate me from any financial liability. We had to get a tax lawyer to negotiate on our behalf with the debt collectors and after many months of wrangling, my husband told me it was £64k we owed which we could put our savings towards and also set up a direct debit and pay the rest monthly.

Fast forward a year, I had two debt collectors standing at my front door. It turns out my husband has been lying about the amount owed...it's in actual fact £150k. I'm horrified, my heart's racing as I'm writing this. He told me over the phone he'd used £30k of our son's trust fund money towards it. He told me he's incapable of saying no to me (?!) and he knows he's got emotional problems.

I don't understand any of this...I'm in my 50s, yes, I like nice things (who doesn't) but never overspent in terms of the money that's in our account and was surplus after all bills are paid. He didn't come home last night, he's too ashamed and embarrassed and keeps telling me he's no good and I deserve better. I've been with this man for over 30 years and can't imagine life without him, although I massively resent him at this point.

I found out he'd taken his watch (a present for his 50th) to a pawnbroker to get a £1,500 per loan against the watch. He said it was to pay off the rest owed to the tax lawyer. I asked (shouted) why the hell did he not come to me as I'd managed to put some money aside. Again, he was too embarrassed and said he just wanted it sorted and out the way. I ended up giving him over £2k to get the watch back.

I'm worried sick. How on earth do I deal with this without knowing whether he's lying or not? I don't have access to his business account because I'm not company secretary. I have access to everything else (I think?).

I'm mostly disgusted at my son's trust fund. He's 21, and it was meant to be for a down payment on a flat at some point. Now there's nothing. My son's now aware of this and thinks I should leave his dad as he can't be trusted. What do you think? Any advice would be extremely welcome.

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Toooldtopretend · 19/09/2025 14:37

ScarletVelvetSlippers · 19/09/2025 07:35

There is a difference between LOSSES of a LTD company and outstanding tax.
If he owes £150K in tax, the company has been making a profit it would seem.

Edited

Yes if it’s corporation tax but if it’s a debt of a limited company it could be VAT or PAYE and NI deductions in respect of employees. I still don’t understand the status of the business, has this been clarified?

BunnyLake · 19/09/2025 11:41

Bruisername · 18/09/2025 18:44

But can’t you say the same of OP who hid a drug addiction for a long time and led to financial issues

if it is a strong marriage and they have both been untrustworthy then aren’t they the best to support each other!!

I missed that bit 🫣 yes you might be right. Each gets a turn to prove themselves.

Bambamhoohoo · 19/09/2025 10:49

HeyThereDelila · 19/09/2025 10:31

I don’t think I could stay with a man like that.

Ring StepChange debt charity (think they have a new name) and Citizens Advice for help. But I think you may have to face selling your house to pay the debt.

I’d also go to HMRC directly and ask them exactly what is owed.

Stepchange wont be able to handle something this complex. HMRC won’t talk to her, only her husband.

Bambamhoohoo · 19/09/2025 10:48

ScarletVelvetSlippers · 19/09/2025 10:28

FYIF I've not googled anything. Don't be so presumptive.
I know from RL experience what can happen.
If you're a tax lawyer fine- keep offering OP advice.

Really? That long list of co sec responsibilities wasn’t googled? Anyone who has worked in governance or accounting knows the reality of co secs in tiny businesses.

LardyCakeLover · 19/09/2025 10:38

Not sure if it has already been asked, but have you been on Companies House to check the status of the company? Check to see if it really is dissolved, liquidated, etc. From here you can also access the annual returns, etc. Worth getting the "true" picture of where things stand,

HeyThereDelila · 19/09/2025 10:31

I don’t think I could stay with a man like that.

Ring StepChange debt charity (think they have a new name) and Citizens Advice for help. But I think you may have to face selling your house to pay the debt.

I’d also go to HMRC directly and ask them exactly what is owed.

ScarletVelvetSlippers · 19/09/2025 10:28

Bambamhoohoo · 19/09/2025 09:47

You’ve clearly not read my posts I am extremely familiar with this. Your posts are full of misunderstood Google.

whether he got reminders or not isn’t under debate. No one has said he pretended he didn’t know about it. Not sure how that’s relevant

FYIF I've not googled anything. Don't be so presumptive.
I know from RL experience what can happen.
If you're a tax lawyer fine- keep offering OP advice.

nightmarepickle2025 · 19/09/2025 10:04

Just to be clear, not paying your taxes is theft. You’re not the victim here. The rest of us who keep paying and paying and paying whilst others evade with impunity are.

Crikeyalmighty · 19/09/2025 09:47

@ScarletVelvetSlippers I think the only issue with that is that at their age they might not get enough for anything but a short mortgage and depends on his credit record too, which might not be good. The ones you can get that are lifetime mortgages will only allow up to around 35% loan to value if you are only in your 50s - around 50/50 if in your 70s - however what might work is a RIO ( interest only) which is a lifetime mortgage but you still have to pay the interest - as these often go up to 70% -

Bambamhoohoo · 19/09/2025 09:47

ScarletVelvetSlippers · 19/09/2025 09:24

That's all conjecture from you @Bambamhoohoo
You clearly have no idea how debts are collected , courts, or the fact they may throw out 'wild sums'.

I doubt they used a lawyer- more likely an accountant.

5 years of outstanding tax don't appear overnight. The H would have had reminders constantly and chose to ignore.

You’ve clearly not read my posts I am extremely familiar with this. Your posts are full of misunderstood Google.

whether he got reminders or not isn’t under debate. No one has said he pretended he didn’t know about it. Not sure how that’s relevant

pinkdelight · 19/09/2025 09:45

ScarletVelvetSlippers · 19/09/2025 09:39

Why so touchy? Of course it's 'allowed'.

The last few posts have been about the work she can do.

She's not said much about work other than she didn't get interviews when she applied. She's not engaged with any of the suggestions at all.

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No but the discussion has broadened and some posts are more generally about what jobs are suggested to mums on here and the opinions on that. Guess I'm touchy as it comes across like you're trying to tell people what they should post, and it's a long thread with its own life, beyond purely suggestions for the OP, of which there have been hundreds and many of them she hasn't engaged with. Which is fine.

ScarletVelvetSlippers · 19/09/2025 09:39

pinkdelight · 19/09/2025 09:36

We're not fixating at all, the thread's just 22 pages in and people are chatting about different points, is that not allowed? We can all keep posting that she can downsize though if you'd prefer. Plus she has said she'd 'love a part-time job', and has applied for some to no avail, so it's hardly off-piste as a discussion.

Why so touchy? Of course it's 'allowed'.

The last few posts have been about the work she can do.

She's not said much about work other than she didn't get interviews when she applied. She's not engaged with any of the suggestions at all.

pinkdelight · 19/09/2025 09:36

ScarletVelvetSlippers · 19/09/2025 09:33

I don't know why everyone is fixating on what kind of job she can do.

She's not said she really wants a job.

She said they could remortgage.
You can get mortgages right through to your 70s now, so £150K over another 20 years is doable depending on their current mortgage outgoings.

Otherwise, size down a bit.

We're not fixating at all, the thread's just 22 pages in and people are chatting about different points, is that not allowed? We can all keep posting that she can downsize though if you'd prefer. Plus she has said she'd 'love a part-time job', and has applied for some to no avail, so it's hardly off-piste as a discussion.

ScarletVelvetSlippers · 19/09/2025 09:33

I don't know why everyone is fixating on what kind of job she can do.

She's not said she really wants a job.

She said they could remortgage.
You can get mortgages right through to your 70s now, so £150K over another 20 years is doable depending on their current mortgage outgoings.

Otherwise, size down a bit.

pinkdelight · 19/09/2025 09:30

Crikeyalmighty · 19/09/2025 09:25

But I don’t think the OP will fit those either.she clearly hasn’t had an involvement in the business or she would know it no longer exists - and being on hand for your parents is very different to dealing intimately with strangers. Actually what OP might like and be good at is something like Home instead - which is less physical caring and more a helping hand. I most certainly don’t think these jobs are ‘shaming’ but you do see it on here a lot as the first reaction when people need to get a job ‘quick’ and don’t have obvious skills, so presumably other people think they have a low barrier to entry too - whereas I personally feel it might serve OP better if she spends a short bit of time being up to date on a PC and getting the house ready for sale -

Everyone's saying sell the house, no one (except maybe OP) would disagree with that, and sure it makes sense to get better with the tech, but I don't understand what this means: Actually what OP might like and be good at is something like Home instead - which is less physical caring and more a helping hand. Is it a typo? Not sure what job your suggesting but either way, she needs a job and as the ones she's tried haven't happened, the net needs to widen one way or another.

ScarletVelvetSlippers · 19/09/2025 09:26

pinkdelight · 19/09/2025 09:01

OP says: "8 apartment house does indeed mean 8 bedrooms". Even she admits it's excessive!

She says the house was modest but had been extended (not sure if it was by them or former owners.)
And as it's up north it may not be worth that much depending on the area.

Crikeyalmighty · 19/09/2025 09:25

pinkdelight · 19/09/2025 08:58

That's a strange response. OP has literally said she's spent years cleaning and running the home and looking after the family so why wouldn't cleaning and care jobs be a fair suggestion, as well as the fact that they're the jobs that are often available and with a low bar to entry, necessary as the OP is getting nowhere with jobs that have a higher bar. I agree with PP that TA jobs are harder to get, but it's not a mad suggestion for most mums who want a part-time gig, and it's not the big insult or shaming move you seem to be framing it as.

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But I don’t think the OP will fit those either.she clearly hasn’t had an involvement in the business or she would know it no longer exists - and being on hand for your parents is very different to dealing intimately with strangers. Actually what OP might like and be good at is something like Home instead - which is less physical caring and more a helping hand. I most certainly don’t think these jobs are ‘shaming’ but you do see it on here a lot as the first reaction when people need to get a job ‘quick’ and don’t have obvious skills, so presumably other people think they have a low barrier to entry too - whereas I personally feel it might serve OP better if she spends a short bit of time being up to date on a PC and getting the house ready for sale -

ScarletVelvetSlippers · 19/09/2025 09:24

Bambamhoohoo · 19/09/2025 08:55

It’s not unusual at all to negotiate tax debt down. How much would it cost the revenue to take a lawyered up individual to court for the £500k? It’s worth the negotiation. Plus, they often throw out wild debts initially to cause panic stress and drama to get engagement.

That's all conjecture from you @Bambamhoohoo
You clearly have no idea how debts are collected , courts, or the fact they may throw out 'wild sums'.

I doubt they used a lawyer- more likely an accountant.

5 years of outstanding tax don't appear overnight. The H would have had reminders constantly and chose to ignore.

Bambamhoohoo · 19/09/2025 09:09

LoyalMember · 19/09/2025 09:02

It's not just murderers, rapists, and paedophiles who need to be locked up for good; it's people like these who quite simply destroy lives and leave pain and misery in their wake.

It’s worth bearing in mind that that’s unlikely to be the whole story before.

Bambamhoohoo · 19/09/2025 09:03

LidlAmaretto · 19/09/2025 09:00

Because there's a difference between ' my husband lied to me' and ' I knew what he was telling me couldn't possibly be true but I thought we could get away with it's.

And it’s you who gives that truth to OP is it? She needs to reflect herself on her role in this situation. It might take years, it might never happen. But what won’t help is a compete stranger admonishing her

LoyalMember · 19/09/2025 09:02

ChloeSOS · 18/09/2025 23:49

I know someone where this also happened. The husband a high earner absconded when the debt collectors turned up with the hope the tax bill would never be paid. His son tracked him down months later as they assumed he had committed suicide: The marriage broke down and house sold to pay off debts. It transpired after some time the man in question had a mistress he had been seeing/ holidaying/ hiding out with etc for 20 years plus. He was a super high functioning sociopath. His family were destroyed by this.

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It's not just murderers, rapists, and paedophiles who need to be locked up for good; it's people like these who quite simply destroy lives and leave pain and misery in their wake.

pinkdelight · 19/09/2025 09:01

AuldWeegie · 19/09/2025 06:59

I’m no doubt boring and pedantic, but OP describes her house as “eight apartment” which doesn’t mean eight bedrooms. It’s how estate agents might describe a house with eight rooms eg five bedrooms and three reception rooms.

I think that gives it a slightly different perspective. A similarly sized house where I live would be around 300k.-350 asking price.

Edited

OP says: "8 apartment house does indeed mean 8 bedrooms". Even she admits it's excessive!

LidlAmaretto · 19/09/2025 09:00

Bambamhoohoo · 19/09/2025 08:56

so? It’s done now. It’s not uncommon to close your ears over the years when life is so nice. Why are you admonishing her about it? It’s just part of the story that got them here

Because there's a difference between ' my husband lied to me' and ' I knew what he was telling me couldn't possibly be true but I thought we could get away with it's.

pinkdelight · 19/09/2025 08:58

Crikeyalmighty · 18/09/2025 21:27

What’s the obsession on mumsnet with cleaning businesses and teaching assistants or care jobs? I genuinely think some do get a weird buzz when the shit hits the fan for anyone who has ‘ever ‘ dared to have had any money - even if it wasn’t quite what he seemed .

That's a strange response. OP has literally said she's spent years cleaning and running the home and looking after the family so why wouldn't cleaning and care jobs be a fair suggestion, as well as the fact that they're the jobs that are often available and with a low bar to entry, necessary as the OP is getting nowhere with jobs that have a higher bar. I agree with PP that TA jobs are harder to get, but it's not a mad suggestion for most mums who want a part-time gig, and it's not the big insult or shaming move you seem to be framing it as.

Bambamhoohoo · 19/09/2025 08:56

LidlAmaretto · 19/09/2025 08:37

Yes that's why I think she is complicit in this whole thing. At best she closed her ears, at worst knew exactly what was going on and was living the high life thinking they'd never get caught and is now panicking because they have been

so? It’s done now. It’s not uncommon to close your ears over the years when life is so nice. Why are you admonishing her about it? It’s just part of the story that got them here

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