Not Transphobia - Manphobia

Because you just lumped all women in together and labelled them in a negative way

What? Maybe there's something I'm missing but to state that I get on better with males rather than females and the reason I get on better with males is it happens to be my personal experience that the females I've known over the years have a habit of creating drama and making up nonsense.

Please, I would love to hear how in the world that is misogyny? Or does that just show the very point in question about the nonsense. I'm pretty sure it does just that!

@Alicealig so where does it say 2 in 100 women are sexually assault or raped?

Yes, I thought that too.

@Alicealig you have misread the stats.

Nice internalised Misogyny there

And I'm not male, nor do I identify as male. I get on better with males usually as I dislike drama and nonsense. Stats don't change whatever sex I am. I've only relayed the stats YOU provided.

@Alicealig so where does it say 2 in 100 women are sexually assault or raped?

How can you be wary of an unknown man. Does that man wear a tag to idenitfy himself.

You have identified yourself as a man by your opinions.

Well, I suppose that depends on whether they've chopped their dick off or not. If so I'd hazard a guess the risk goes down considerably, even tho a agree as a rule no men in women's spaces and the same in men's spaces. They are both there to protect the sexes.

There are good men. Of course there are. But there are also bad ones.

For safeguarding, we keep all men out of women's single sex spaces, because we cannot tell at a glance who the bad ones are. Exactly the same principle should be applied to 'transwomen'. They are just like all the other men.

@Alicealig _ You are a man aren't you. Politically hysteria it is not.

The charity 'Rape Crisis' has reported 1 in 4 women being raped or sexually assaulted as an adult. The overall statistics in England and Wales found 85,000 women experience rape, attempted rape or sexual assault every year.

Around 800,000 women were sexually assaulted in England and Wales in 2022, according to the most recent data.

Over one million VAWG related crimes were recorded during 2022/23, accounting for 20% of all police recorded crime.

World health organisation
Violence against women remains devastatingly pervasive and starts alarmingly young, shows new data from WHO and partners. Across their lifetime, 1 in 3 women, around 736 million, are subjected to physical or sexual violence by an intimate partner or sexual violence from a non-partner – a number that has remained largely unchanged over the past decade.
This violence starts early: 1 in 4 young women (aged 15-24 years) who have been in a relationship will have already experienced violence by an intimate partner by the time they reach their mid-twenties.

• 1 in 4 women have been raped or sexually assaulted as an adult (Office for National Statistics, 2021).
• 1 in 6 children have been sexually abused (NSPCC, 2011)
• 1 in 20 men have been raped or sexually assaulted as an adult (Office for National Statistics, 2021).
• 70,330 rapes were recorded by the police for the year ending March 2022 - the highest number ever (Office for National Statistics). In that same time period, charges were brought in only 2,223 rape cases (Crown Prosecution Service).
• 1 in 2 rapes against women are carried out by their partner or ex-partner (Office for National Statistics).
• 98% of adults prosecuted for sexual offences are men (Office for National Statistics)
• 5 in 6 rapes against women are carried out by someone they know (Office for National Statistics)

I’ve come across people whom I have no idea whether they are men or women. Genuinely can’t tell. We’ve ( the person I’m with) later asked each other and we’ve both been 🤷🏻‍♀️). So if I can’t tell what they are then I’m assuming there are other people who I would think were one when they are actually the other.

I think if you want a varied opinion then post outside Mumsnet, which can be a bit of an echo chamber on this topic!

The 1 in 4 women bring assaulted in not by any means evidence. I'm willing to say at best it's political hysteria that I'm sure you couldnt provide citations for. I'm sure at least 1in 4 woman may have had unwanted attention from a man. That's more realistic to say.

If men are such a high risk I don't understand why men aren't just sexual assaulting us all day every day at every given opportunity if they're so predatory. After all who's there to prevent this and afford any protection or do you think that it could be because the majority of men won't stand for this so the minority of men who would do this have a deterant not to do it.

It perplexes me how some people are so ungrateful for the mostly great men in our western society in general. I get the difficulties that come with terrifying sexual assault but we can't be pushing narratives that tell women that's the norm as it's still very rare indeed, statistically. We work best as a society when in cooperation with men not opposition. As women we're never going to take over leadership, that's quite literally impossible as we don't hold a monopoly of force.

Jesus look at Afghanistan for gods sake. The women there were thriving because for 20 years our men took over their country and they were allowed freedoms like they'd never seen before. Our men gone, and 3 days later an entire country and rights of women, GONE! Why we try to oppose and fight the men we share our lives with ill never understand. For me, we both benefit by working together, he's far better when I'm there in addition.

@Alicealig

It’s also not 'a man' that is the threat.

1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime and that doesn’t include other forms of abuse such as murder often in the domestic home by a spouse. The risk is high. Men are the risk group.

We don’t know which ones are good and which ones aren’t and many don’t step in. In fact it is proven that many of these awful behaviours of men towards women are egged on by other men. Especially when they are in a group. Think Lap dancing clubs, think locker room banter. Men, as a group, are not the protectors they are the perpetrators.

I know quite a few trans identifying women and their average height is 5’6, they have no adam's apple, walk with a female gait, have female shoulders width and frames and it is obvious within half a second that they are female. In incredibly rare circumstances it might take a little longer to realise.

I also have a friend with Pcos and has she has some facial hair, no one ever mistakes her for a man because she is female.