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Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…

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AnotherNC12345 · 17/09/2025 10:54

… rather than the smuggling / trafficking gangs that are responsible for the journey?

I think it’s very extreme to put all of the blame and the anger at the individual that arrives, rather than the people responsible for orchestrating the whole process. These individuals are often ‘sold the dream’ and hooked in by organised crime groups who direct them to the UK. I’ve looked at sample routes from different parts of the world (screenshots may be pending) and these are complex and would need local people, as well as law enforcement, customs officers and other government officials to turn a blind eye involved in smuggling across multiple borders.

It’s no secret that these crossings likely cost a lot of money, and I think it would be safe to assume that refugees would often be in crippling debt to the OCGs who will put pressure on them to pay it back, by threatening them and their families and I would go as far as to say they could then be coerced in to further committing crimes when granted asylum in order to pay back their debt.

These OCGs are likely involved in other trafficking / crime, not just of asylum seekers but likely drugs, weapons and sex as they have the connections across those borders.

I think it’s very unlikely that an asylum seeker is sitting there looking at all the European government websites and shopping for a country with the best benefits package and approaching a trafficker with a brochure like they’re picking a Jet2 holiday. But this is the narrative that’s often put us and fuelled in the media.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a better system and want to control our borders better on a whole, but this sheer anger and blame placed at the human in front of us seems very misplaced, when they were likely manipulated in to thinking they can have a better life in this particular country and not another, and the problem is way way bigger than an individual.

Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…
Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…
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OwlBeThere · 21/09/2025 02:55

Papyrophile · 20/09/2025 19:29

There was an interesting section on an R4 programme yesterday, which put the cost of the Royal family at £4 per head, and the income from tourism etc. at about £15 benefit. You couldn't pay me enough to be the Princess of Wales but I am delighted someone wants to be, and even more pleased that she is so flipping brilliant at doing it. I really don't care that they probably have a spare bedroom or two.

Most of the ways in which the royals generate tourism money could be done without them there. Opening up castles and stately homes etc could be done if they all disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow. Buck house and Windsor castle alone have about 1700 rooms. 52 odd bedrooms for the rf and guests, a couple of hundred for staff. It’s not an extra bedroom or two. It’s room to house hundreds and hundreds of people. And that’s without balmoral and sandringham etc.
If we have such a huge crisis of housing and finances then we should look first to those with the most to spare, not the least.

OwlBeThere · 21/09/2025 02:42

38thparallel · 20/09/2025 19:05

I have the advantage of being lucky enough to possess excellent academic ability and that means I’ve been able to hold on to my career even with a progressive disability
@OwlBeThere
Here you’re boasting about how clever you are, yet you make statements about how big landowners shouldn’t be allowed so much land and it’s wrong that the royal family have so many bedrooms and ‘acres of lands doing nothing’ and so on.

However when asked for examples of the Royal family’s land that does nothing and how many bedrooms are too many and what is the maximum amount of land someone can own you are unable to come with any answers.
If you’re so clever surely you’ve thought these things through and have the answers?

I’m not boasting about anything, I’m recognising the huge amounts of privilege my ability to be academically successful affords me, particularly when set against my disability. Because if didn’t have this career, chances are I’d be on benefits and unable to any other job really. I’m very aware that I am
luxky, and I try in as many ways as I can to pay that luck forward by using it to help others.
but I’m not a economist or in any way qualified to answer those questions. That’s not ky
job to work out. If it were something I could do, I’d be in the cabinet or an advisor.
I also don’t know how to fly a plane, how to do the splits, I can’t sing and I'd be a shit teacher , but I still have opinions on holidays and gymnastics and music and my kids education. 🤷🏼‍♀️

here’s a question for you, if you don’t want asylum seekers or immigrants here and think we should be allowed to turn them all away. And so every country does the same. Not lir
problem, right? How would you sleep at night hearing the deaths of innocent people coming out of those countries knowing you
supported just not allowing them to get help?

OwlBeThere · 21/09/2025 02:24

PurpleNurple23 · 20/09/2025 16:56

Q1) Yes. I moved because DH got a job here.
Q2). I understand that. DH and I will move back to India in a few years to retire.

You can totally be an immigrant and realise the negative impacts mass immigration has. You can benefit on an individual level and realise the negative effects to the wider society as a whole.

So what you’re saying is you’re a massive hypocrite and morally confused you think
you should be allowed the advantages of living here, but others shouldn’t. Just the audacity tbh.

OwlBeThere · 21/09/2025 02:22

SpaceRaccoon · 20/09/2025 16:52

Why? It's not longer at war.
I can understand why women would flee, and yet...

I can’t decide if you are being willfully obruse, or just are this naive and clueless.

200 and change extrajudicial killings, 20 odd enforced disappearances.
500 government officials killed in 2022, 144 human rights violations of torture. 400 arbitrary arrest and detentions.

and that’s just what we know about. The Taliban are extremists, plenty of Muslims in Afghanistan are much more liberal minded and anyone who openly criticises the government or may be gay or any thing else not deemed appropriate puts you at huge risk. One woman I spoke to, her sisters face was pretty much burned off with acid because she laughed with a man in the street. Others have had brothers and husbands and friends disappear in rhe middle of the night, people forget that the Taliban mostly kill
oyher Muslims.

OwlBeThere · 21/09/2025 02:09

SpaceRaccoon · 20/09/2025 12:01

68% have been accepted as at risk of serious harm or persecution - either refugees or in need of humanitarian protection. Therefore not economic migrants.

"I'm gay". Job done.

It’s not that simple at all.

OwlBeThere · 21/09/2025 02:08

MaturingCheeseball · 20/09/2025 12:24

Yes, there’s never a straight answer about what numbers would be acceptable or manageable. Opening all borders would create huge migrant camps, surely, even if any spare or under-occupied properties were commandeered.

Because no one is saying open all Borders. No one is saying just allow anyone in with no process or procedure. It’s impossible to
give a concrete figure on how many because that depends on lots of factors. All people are saying is that those who DO come and are here seeking asylum should be allowed to
do so peacefully and without threat from morons. IF they meet the criteria to stay, they should stay, if they don’t they should go. Simple.

OwlBeThere · 21/09/2025 02:01

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:49

Apparently it’s still one of the top countries for asylum grants in the UK.

Hundreds of Afghans go home on holiday.

Not refugees. They can’t because they’ll lose their refugee status.

OwlBeThere · 21/09/2025 01:59

PurpleNurple23 · 20/09/2025 21:47

What's the issue with Vietnam? DNeice went there with her friends a few months ago

You won’t see much in the way of outward protest because Vietnam is a one party state, you’re not allowed to disagree with the government, or you disappear, they are on yeh watch list of amnesty international and human rights watch. Tourists are safe as the people are so rigidly controlled.

AnotherNC12345 · 20/09/2025 22:55

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:34

That’s how most of the world manages migration. Why should UK taxpayers pay to school your kids and pay your whole family’s medical bills, just because you choose to wipe a couple of bums because it’s an easier way to earn money than goat herding?

What a strange way of looking at things. So should I pay for the education and healthcare of all the people and their families who choose to wipe bums or scrub toilets, or even do nothing at all just because they’re British?

Spoiler alert - I have no issue with doing so, because I believe in giving back.

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SleeplessInWherever · 20/09/2025 21:52

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:44

I used to wipe bums for a living. No mask. And the goat herder wasn't doing anything as useful as wiping bums.
www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/courts/illiterate-goatherder-from-iraq-jailed-for-selling-drugs-on-streets-of-aberystwyth-731158

That drug dealer also isn’t a carer. I’m not sure why you pull that example out, it’s got nothing to do with what we’re talking about.

I remain convinced that if someone comes here to complete the valuable task of caring for our most vulnerable, they shouldn’t have to do so alone.

Your original question was about Afghanistan, before we realised you hadn’t actually looked. No need to go through the rest of the list, Afghanistan was your point and it remains a no.

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:49

PurpleNurple23 · 20/09/2025 21:47

What's the issue with Vietnam? DNeice went there with her friends a few months ago

Apparently it’s still one of the top countries for asylum grants in the UK.

Hundreds of Afghans go home on holiday.

PurpleNurple23 · 20/09/2025 21:47

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:45

Okay, go down the list. You okay with returns to Sierra Leone, Somalia, or Vietnam? They’re on the list with no caveats.

What's the issue with Vietnam? DNeice went there with her friends a few months ago

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:45

SleeplessInWherever · 20/09/2025 21:35

Did you even open that document? Afghanistan is not on the list.

In fact further down it says that the return agreement has been inoperable since 2021, following a change in regime.

Restarting that, I assume, involves a deal with the Taliban. And, no.

Okay, go down the list. You okay with returns to Sierra Leone, Somalia, or Vietnam? They’re on the list with no caveats.

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:44

SleeplessInWherever · 20/09/2025 21:35

What a disgusting, dismissive way to phrase it.

Careful. Your mask is slipping.

I used to wipe bums for a living. No mask. And the goat herder wasn't doing anything as useful as wiping bums.
www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/courts/illiterate-goatherder-from-iraq-jailed-for-selling-drugs-on-streets-of-aberystwyth-731158

SleeplessInWherever · 20/09/2025 21:35

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:34

That’s how most of the world manages migration. Why should UK taxpayers pay to school your kids and pay your whole family’s medical bills, just because you choose to wipe a couple of bums because it’s an easier way to earn money than goat herding?

What a disgusting, dismissive way to phrase it.

Careful. Your mask is slipping.

SleeplessInWherever · 20/09/2025 21:35

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:25

But we have a returns agreement with them, so it must be okay, right?

Did you even open that document? Afghanistan is not on the list.

In fact further down it says that the return agreement has been inoperable since 2021, following a change in regime.

Restarting that, I assume, involves a deal with the Taliban. And, no.

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:34

SleeplessInWherever · 20/09/2025 21:17

So in essence - you can come here and care for our disabled and elderly, but you may not bring your family?

I don’t think so.

That’s how most of the world manages migration. Why should UK taxpayers pay to school your kids and pay your whole family’s medical bills, just because you choose to wipe a couple of bums because it’s an easier way to earn money than goat herding?

SleeplessInWherever · 20/09/2025 21:31

@SpaceRaccoon

If people are coming here to provide this country with a service or role that we need, the very least we could do is allow them to bring their wives and families.

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:25

SleeplessInWherever · 20/09/2025 17:29

We absolutely should not be returning people to Afghanistan.

But we have a returns agreement with them, so it must be okay, right?

SpaceRaccoon · 20/09/2025 21:24

So in essence - you can come here and care for our disabled and elderly, but you may not bring your family?
I don’t think so.

Why not? Millions of workers consider working in the UAE, Qatar, Saudi etc under those conditions to be an incredible opportunity, enabling them to earn far more money in a few years than would otherwise have been possible.

SleeplessInWherever · 20/09/2025 21:17

SpaceRaccoon · 20/09/2025 21:15

We don’t need them all to be highly educated. Many of them work in low skilled jobs that are difficult to fill with our “own.”

There should be a Gulf-style guest worker visa category for lower skilled roles. Worker only, no family. No pathway to permanent residency.
I'd suggest in return rebating tax payments on departure.

That way the jobs get done and we avoid the ageing population pyramid scheme we currently have going on.

A skilled work visa type already exists.

Indeed, that was my pathway.

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So in essence - you can come here and care for our disabled and elderly, but you may not bring your family?

I don’t think so.

SpaceRaccoon · 20/09/2025 21:15

We don’t need them all to be highly educated. Many of them work in low skilled jobs that are difficult to fill with our “own.”

There should be a Gulf-style guest worker visa category for lower skilled roles. Worker only, no family. No pathway to permanent residency.
I'd suggest in return rebating tax payments on departure.

That way the jobs get done and we avoid the ageing population pyramid scheme we currently have going on.

A skilled work visa type already exists.

Indeed, that was my pathway.

Cosmicbroccoli · 20/09/2025 20:51

brytersky · 20/09/2025 20:47

This isn't what the parents are saying. Who knows what the truth is.

Probably not “Creepwatchuk” judging by the rest of the “news” they’ve covered .

brytersky · 20/09/2025 20:47

Cosmicbroccoli · 20/09/2025 20:38

Here’s an article in the local news that explains that video: https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/25477896.essex-police-statement-suspicious-behaviour-schools/

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This isn't what the parents are saying. Who knows what the truth is.