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Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…

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AnotherNC12345 · 17/09/2025 10:54

… rather than the smuggling / trafficking gangs that are responsible for the journey?

I think it’s very extreme to put all of the blame and the anger at the individual that arrives, rather than the people responsible for orchestrating the whole process. These individuals are often ‘sold the dream’ and hooked in by organised crime groups who direct them to the UK. I’ve looked at sample routes from different parts of the world (screenshots may be pending) and these are complex and would need local people, as well as law enforcement, customs officers and other government officials to turn a blind eye involved in smuggling across multiple borders.

It’s no secret that these crossings likely cost a lot of money, and I think it would be safe to assume that refugees would often be in crippling debt to the OCGs who will put pressure on them to pay it back, by threatening them and their families and I would go as far as to say they could then be coerced in to further committing crimes when granted asylum in order to pay back their debt.

These OCGs are likely involved in other trafficking / crime, not just of asylum seekers but likely drugs, weapons and sex as they have the connections across those borders.

I think it’s very unlikely that an asylum seeker is sitting there looking at all the European government websites and shopping for a country with the best benefits package and approaching a trafficker with a brochure like they’re picking a Jet2 holiday. But this is the narrative that’s often put us and fuelled in the media.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a better system and want to control our borders better on a whole, but this sheer anger and blame placed at the human in front of us seems very misplaced, when they were likely manipulated in to thinking they can have a better life in this particular country and not another, and the problem is way way bigger than an individual.

Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…
Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…
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OwlBeThere · 17/09/2025 17:13

EasternStandard · 17/09/2025 16:58

Why does Labour talk about their illegal crossing?

I have no idea. You’d have to ask the Labour Party.

OwlBeThere · 17/09/2025 17:12

NotABiscuitInSight · 17/09/2025 16:41

Why do they need British asylum if they've passed multiple safe countries?

Why should those countries take all the asylum seekers?

BeHappySloth · 17/09/2025 17:00

EasternStandard · 17/09/2025 16:58

Why does Labour talk about their illegal crossing?

Because Labour is trying to sound like Reform Lite.

hadjustaboutenough · 17/09/2025 16:59

I think the public is angry at the whole rotten system, including their own politicians who are either unable or unwilling to put a stop to it and perform the government's most basic role of maintaining a secure homeland.

EasternStandard · 17/09/2025 16:58

OwlBeThere · 17/09/2025 16:38

It’s not illegal to cross by any means if you intend to claim asylum the other end. They can’t come over on a flight because if they come on a tourist visa they can’t claim asylum, and you can’t claim asylum until you are on British soil. So what do you want them to do?

Why does Labour talk about their illegal crossing?

MsJinks · 17/09/2025 16:48

OwlBeThere · 17/09/2025 16:35

Because they don’t speak French.
Because they have family in the uk.
becuase they DO speak English.
because it’s further away from where they are at risk.
Because France already has a lot of asylum seekers and they can’t all stay there
because France has taken far more than the U.K. historically.
because the U.K. suits their skill set to work better.
because they went on holiday to Penzance once and think the U.K. seems nice.
because British people are seen as nice people.

all kinds of reasons.

And some fought alongside the British Army.
This is repeated over and over - I’m really not sure why people can’t imagine they wouldn’t go further than France ever, for any reason, if they needed refuge.

BeHappySloth · 17/09/2025 16:45

NotABiscuitInSight · 17/09/2025 16:41

Why do they need British asylum if they've passed multiple safe countries?

Read the thread. The poster you are questioning has already answered this point.

BeHappySloth · 17/09/2025 16:44

MsJinks · 17/09/2025 16:42

Yes, I guess they didn’t quite - I see that thing on here where folk say ‘I spat my tea out’ or ‘I lol’d so much’ and I tend to think ‘course you did’ 🙈
well I did have a physical reaction to this - so appallingly awful and so I missed they didn’t quite say it.

Yep, they said enough without actually articulating it explicitly. A cowardly approach in my view.

MsJinks · 17/09/2025 16:42

BeHappySloth · 17/09/2025 16:21

Not quite "out and proud". The poster is not responding to my request that they say exactly what they mean instead of simply implying it.

They know that they will have crossed a line if they actually say it, so they veer as close to saying as they think they can get away with, but just stop short.

It's pathetic.

Yes, I guess they didn’t quite - I see that thing on here where folk say ‘I spat my tea out’ or ‘I lol’d so much’ and I tend to think ‘course you did’ 🙈
well I did have a physical reaction to this - so appallingly awful and so I missed they didn’t quite say it.

NotABiscuitInSight · 17/09/2025 16:41

OwlBeThere · 17/09/2025 16:38

It’s not illegal to cross by any means if you intend to claim asylum the other end. They can’t come over on a flight because if they come on a tourist visa they can’t claim asylum, and you can’t claim asylum until you are on British soil. So what do you want them to do?

Why do they need British asylum if they've passed multiple safe countries?

OwlBeThere · 17/09/2025 16:40

SaveTheJourney · 17/09/2025 16:28

It’s possible to not be happy with both the individuals and the people smugglers.

There is an asylum hostel near me. A former 4 star Ramada, although to be be fair, it probably was in financial difficulty for some time before it was taken over.

It’a located near a “green trail” which leads from a nature reserve, along a stream, to another part of town.

Only now, groups of young men congregate by this trail, making me and probably others feel rather uncomfortable. I don’t claim to know if local crime rates have gone up but I probably wouldn’t go there in my own anymore.

If young British men were hanging around, I’d also feel uncomfortable, but that’s not the point, they’re there all day as they have nothing to do. Putting these individuals in local communities just builds resentment.

If you had £9 a week to live on, in a country you don’t know, wouldn’t you probably spend some time just hanging out with other people in a nice place?
you don’t know if the crime has gone up, so you don’t know if they’ve done anything wrong , they’re just existing on the same path as you. And you’re mad at them….because?

OwlBeThere · 17/09/2025 16:38

NotABiscuitInSight · 17/09/2025 16:36

They have no money but have money for illegal crossings.

Because they are choosing to pass a safe country for one of their preference.

It’s not illegal to cross by any means if you intend to claim asylum the other end. They can’t come over on a flight because if they come on a tourist visa they can’t claim asylum, and you can’t claim asylum until you are on British soil. So what do you want them to do?

OwlBeThere · 17/09/2025 16:36

ColdSalads · 17/09/2025 16:28

In the UK, asylum seekers who have applied for support can receive a weekly payment of £49.18 per person for essential needs like food, clothing, and toiletries, paid via an ASPEN card. An additional allowance of £9.95 per week is given to those in self-catered accommodatio

It’s not additional, they get £9 a week if they are fed, if they aren’t they get £49 a week.

NotABiscuitInSight · 17/09/2025 16:36

They have no money but have money for illegal crossings.

Because they are choosing to pass a safe country for one of their preference.

OwlBeThere · 17/09/2025 16:35

Paganpentacle · 17/09/2025 11:05

So... can you explain why are they risking channel crossings and not staying put?

What is the lure of attempting something so dangerous when they are clearly safe in France? Why do you think that may be?

Because they don’t speak French.
Because they have family in the uk.
becuase they DO speak English.
because it’s further away from where they are at risk.
Because France already has a lot of asylum seekers and they can’t all stay there
because France has taken far more than the U.K. historically.
because the U.K. suits their skill set to work better.
because they went on holiday to Penzance once and think the U.K. seems nice.
because British people are seen as nice people.

all kinds of reasons.

caringcarer · 17/09/2025 16:33

Paganpentacle · 17/09/2025 11:05

So... can you explain why are they risking channel crossings and not staying put?

What is the lure of attempting something so dangerous when they are clearly safe in France? Why do you think that may be?

This. They just come because the UK has too many pull factors.

AmIthatSpringy · 17/09/2025 16:30

Because the people shouting at hotels are relishing the chance to punch down, for once in their miserable lives

ColdSalads · 17/09/2025 16:28

Tesremos82 · 17/09/2025 16:26

But they do benefit from government support!

In the UK, asylum seekers who have applied for support can receive a weekly payment of £49.18 per person for essential needs like food, clothing, and toiletries, paid via an ASPEN card. An additional allowance of £9.95 per week is given to those in self-catered accommodatio

SaveTheJourney · 17/09/2025 16:28

It’s possible to not be happy with both the individuals and the people smugglers.

There is an asylum hostel near me. A former 4 star Ramada, although to be be fair, it probably was in financial difficulty for some time before it was taken over.

It’a located near a “green trail” which leads from a nature reserve, along a stream, to another part of town.

Only now, groups of young men congregate by this trail, making me and probably others feel rather uncomfortable. I don’t claim to know if local crime rates have gone up but I probably wouldn’t go there in my own anymore.

If young British men were hanging around, I’d also feel uncomfortable, but that’s not the point, they’re there all day as they have nothing to do. Putting these individuals in local communities just builds resentment.

Tesremos82 · 17/09/2025 16:26

LakieLady · 17/09/2025 11:40

For what feels like the millionth time, asylum seekers are not entitled to claim benefits.

But they do benefit from government support!

EasternStandard · 17/09/2025 16:25

I’m not sure the system we have now would stand up to neutral people with ‘critical thinking’. It’s dangerous, rewards gangs and lacks security.

It’s what we have and it’s straining politics in many countries. I don’t blame the individual, say the poor Eritrean currently under Labour’s cosh for ‘one in one out’ but I do question the whole system. If people do actually think about it kind of is open to change.

BeHappySloth · 17/09/2025 16:21

MsJinks · 17/09/2025 16:12

Disgusting - I’m shocked and saddened that this view is displayed out and proud (twice) on this site.

Not quite "out and proud". The poster is not responding to my request that they say exactly what they mean instead of simply implying it.

They know that they will have crossed a line if they actually say it, so they veer as close to saying as they think they can get away with, but just stop short.

It's pathetic.

BeHappySloth · 17/09/2025 16:17

Ablondiebutagoody · 17/09/2025 16:07

The point is that the fairness thing is their view and its perfectly acceptable for them to hold it without being called ignorant, parrots, manipulated etc because they don't share your view. Sounds like you want to teach them what thoughts are acceptable. I think we're beyond that now thankfully.

Not at all, they can think whatever they like. And of course they will think they are being fair if they are basing their views on misinformation, which many people do. Unless we have a detailed breakdown of how exactly they arrived at those views, it doesn't really get us anywhere.

You haven't presented any evidence of their ability to think critically, which is what we were actually talking about, and the views of a group of random teenagers of unknown intelligence or exposure to education around critical thinking skillsdoesn't really tell us much at all. I have no doubt that I could find a bunch of different teenagers with totally different opinions, but I'm not sure how much further it would move us on in the debate.

MsJinks · 17/09/2025 16:12

ColdSalads · 17/09/2025 15:47

<laughs out loud>

Remember when they media tried to portray him as a "Welsh choir boy"

As previously mentioned, we're not falling for it any more, you can repeat it all you like, it won't work.

Disgusting - I’m shocked and saddened that this view is displayed out and proud (twice) on this site.

Ablondiebutagoody · 17/09/2025 16:07

BeHappySloth · 17/09/2025 15:59

Why would I be shocked by that? The whole point is surely that these kids haven't been taught proper critical thinking skills, hence being so susceptible to the disinformation that they see all over the Internet?

They aren't expressing right wing views because they have a heightened sense of fairness. What on earth would make you think that? Far more likely that they're ignorant of the issues and parroting the views of their parents/what they have seen online.

The point is that the fairness thing is their view and its perfectly acceptable for them to hold it without being called ignorant, parrots, manipulated etc because they don't share your view. Sounds like you want to teach them what thoughts are acceptable. I think we're beyond that now thankfully.