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Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…

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AnotherNC12345 · 17/09/2025 10:54

… rather than the smuggling / trafficking gangs that are responsible for the journey?

I think it’s very extreme to put all of the blame and the anger at the individual that arrives, rather than the people responsible for orchestrating the whole process. These individuals are often ‘sold the dream’ and hooked in by organised crime groups who direct them to the UK. I’ve looked at sample routes from different parts of the world (screenshots may be pending) and these are complex and would need local people, as well as law enforcement, customs officers and other government officials to turn a blind eye involved in smuggling across multiple borders.

It’s no secret that these crossings likely cost a lot of money, and I think it would be safe to assume that refugees would often be in crippling debt to the OCGs who will put pressure on them to pay it back, by threatening them and their families and I would go as far as to say they could then be coerced in to further committing crimes when granted asylum in order to pay back their debt.

These OCGs are likely involved in other trafficking / crime, not just of asylum seekers but likely drugs, weapons and sex as they have the connections across those borders.

I think it’s very unlikely that an asylum seeker is sitting there looking at all the European government websites and shopping for a country with the best benefits package and approaching a trafficker with a brochure like they’re picking a Jet2 holiday. But this is the narrative that’s often put us and fuelled in the media.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a better system and want to control our borders better on a whole, but this sheer anger and blame placed at the human in front of us seems very misplaced, when they were likely manipulated in to thinking they can have a better life in this particular country and not another, and the problem is way way bigger than an individual.

Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…
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ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:57

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:54

You’re basically telling an Irish person no, you’re not, you’re British?

That’s just factually incorrect correct. Ireland may be on the same landmass as the UK but it’s a separate nation. Much as France and Spain are. Try telling a French person they’re Spanish 🤣

No, I'm telling an Irish person they come from the British Isles, which is a geographical fact.

PurpleNurple23 · 18/09/2025 11:56

I'm ethnically Indian. DH and I moved here back in the 90s. I'd consider myself British Indian but accept I'm not English.

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:56

MsJinks · 18/09/2025 11:54

In Afghanistan? Seriously?
In Eritrea? Really?
In Syria? Honestly?
These are some top countries of asylum seekers.
More likely to be dead or locked up with nil chance of helping your family get to a better place.
I also think too many forget that in Afghanistan at least those at most risk fought/supported the British army - we now tell them we want to wash our hands? Not really in the Church of England tradition is it. Though you will be pleased more Afghans claim in France.

Have to laugh about the Afghans - a sad laugh.

We trained their army, we trained their police, we invested billions in their infrastructure and their education, we tried so much to help them.

.........and they folded to the Taliban in under a week.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:54

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:51

No, I don't class you as an immigrant, but thanks to your family for helping to build the UK.

You're free to class yourself how you like.

You’re basically telling an Irish person no, you’re not, you’re British?

That’s just factually incorrect correct. Ireland may be on the same landmass as the UK but it’s a separate nation. Much as France and Spain are. Try telling a French person they’re Spanish 🤣

MsJinks · 18/09/2025 11:54

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 10:52

Why not stay with your family and your support network and work to make everyone's lives in your home town or village better?

In Afghanistan? Seriously?
In Eritrea? Really?
In Syria? Honestly?
These are some top countries of asylum seekers.
More likely to be dead or locked up with nil chance of helping your family get to a better place.
I also think too many forget that in Afghanistan at least those at most risk fought/supported the British army - we now tell them we want to wash our hands? Not really in the Church of England tradition is it. Though you will be pleased more Afghans claim in France.

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:54

ForgetMeNotRose · 18/09/2025 11:52

Do you actually know what the Republic of Ireland is?

Yes, so much so that a lot of Irish people don't like to call it the "Republic of Ireland" and would much rather you refer to it as just "Ireland"

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 11:53

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:51

No, I don't class you as an immigrant, but thanks to your family for helping to build the UK.

You're free to class yourself how you like.

Thanks.

So, what is a Briton? Is it linked to genealogy, religions, attitudes?

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:53

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:52

So are your friends at the Premier shop, now, because that’s what they have deliberately chosen to be. Where I was born was pure happenstance. They can wear whatever shirt they like, too.

Of course they can, that's not the point.

ForgetMeNotRose · 18/09/2025 11:52

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:48

Yep, within the British isles and the people are no different from those in other countries in the British isles

Do you actually know what the Republic of Ireland is?

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:52

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:50

I think you’ll find many Irish people disagree with you. They’re Europeans, for a start.

Geographically I'm a European too. What's your point?

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:52

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:49

You're British and can wear whatever shirt you want.

So are your friends at the Premier shop, now, because that’s what they have deliberately chosen to be. Where I was born was pure happenstance. They can wear whatever shirt they like, too.

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:51

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 11:50

You wouldn’t class me as an immigrant because it’s closer and because I’m white and Christian. I’m actually an atheist, but my family originally were Irish Catholics.

Ireland is a different country. My entire maternal side of the family migrated here, exclusively for economic purposes.

Shall I hand my passport in now, or later?

No, I don't class you as an immigrant, but thanks to your family for helping to build the UK.

You're free to class yourself how you like.

ForgetMeNotRose · 18/09/2025 11:51

Paganpentacle · 17/09/2025 11:05

So... can you explain why are they risking channel crossings and not staying put?

What is the lure of attempting something so dangerous when they are clearly safe in France? Why do you think that may be?

Why don't you ask yourself that question? What situation would you need to be living in in order to risk your life to leave?

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:50

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:48

Yep, within the British isles and the people are no different from those in other countries in the British isles

I think you’ll find many Irish people disagree with you. They’re Europeans, for a start.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 11:50

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:44

People from the British Isles are all of the same stock, divided only by religion. Call yourself an immigrant if your Irish if you want too, I wouldn't class you as an immigrant.

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You wouldn’t class me as an immigrant because it’s closer and because I’m white and Christian. I’m actually an atheist, but my family originally were Irish Catholics.

Ireland is a different country. My entire maternal side of the family migrated here, exclusively for economic purposes.

Shall I hand my passport in now, or later?

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:49

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:45

I was born in England. My ancestors on two lines are Scottish. I wear a Scotland shirt to rugby internationals. Am I not English?

You're British and can wear whatever shirt you want.

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:48

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:46

Ireland is an entirely separate nation.

Yep, within the British isles and the people are no different from those in other countries in the British isles

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:46

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:44

People from the British Isles are all of the same stock, divided only by religion. Call yourself an immigrant if your Irish if you want too, I wouldn't class you as an immigrant.

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Ireland is an entirely separate nation.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:45

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:43

I'm just speaking truths. My local premier shop, the staff are wonderful and I'm lucky to count them as my friends. However, when we go to the cricket, they are not putting on an England shirt.

I was born in England. My ancestors on two lines are Scottish. I wear a Scotland shirt to rugby internationals. Am I not English?

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:44

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 11:42

I don’t know what a “Briton” is, but I don’t think I’m a one either.

My great grandmother was Irish, on my mums side, they emigrated here for work before my grandmother was born.

Does that make me a 3rd generation immigrant?

I think Ireland is already doing okay, maybe they don’t need me to go “back.”

@ColdSalads could you elaborate on what someone has to do to be a “Briton,” and how far back into our family trees we have to go to check?

People from the British Isles are all of the same stock, divided only by religion. Call yourself an immigrant if your Irish if you want too, I wouldn't class you as an immigrant.

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:43

AnotherNC12345 · 18/09/2025 11:16

We can all read between the lines of the multiple comments this poster has made and it is very clear what their view of ‘otherness’ is.

I'm just speaking truths. My local premier shop, the staff are wonderful and I'm lucky to count them as my friends. However, when we go to the cricket, they are not putting on an England shirt.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 11:42

AnotherNC12345 · 18/09/2025 11:03

So at what point do you? Where down the family tree do you get to be a Briton?

DPs parents are Irish + another nation. He has always been brought up British. My kids are now half British. They will grow up to know they are British. Your view of whether they are ‘true Britons’ does not matter in the slightest - no institution will ever question how ‘pure’ they are.

I don’t know what a “Briton” is, but I don’t think I’m a one either.

My great grandmother was Irish, on my mums side, they emigrated here for work before my grandmother was born.

Does that make me a 3rd generation immigrant?

I think Ireland is already doing okay, maybe they don’t need me to go “back.”

@ColdSalads could you elaborate on what someone has to do to be a “Briton,” and how far back into our family trees we have to go to check?

Larrypitt · 18/09/2025 11:39

The organisers are terrible, but no-one forces the individual asylum seekers to use them. It's a bit like the situation with drugs - drug dealers are terrible, but no-one forces people to buy drugs from them. Individuals have choices.

PurpleNurple23 · 18/09/2025 11:36

Why are they coming here and not staying in the first safe harbour they reach? Why are they not going to countries more culturally compatible with them? Why are they risking their life to flee France?

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 11:33

Netcurtainnelly · 17/09/2025 11:27

Picture yesterday of people pushing a boat back as it arrives.
Can't blame them. Got a joke now.
They wouldn't like it if we keep pitching up on dinghy.

Canarys didn't want tourism last year and that was for people paying for a break, not trying to live there.

That is so strange. I went to Fuerteventura last year, it must have moved out of the Canaries!