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Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…

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AnotherNC12345 · 17/09/2025 10:54

… rather than the smuggling / trafficking gangs that are responsible for the journey?

I think it’s very extreme to put all of the blame and the anger at the individual that arrives, rather than the people responsible for orchestrating the whole process. These individuals are often ‘sold the dream’ and hooked in by organised crime groups who direct them to the UK. I’ve looked at sample routes from different parts of the world (screenshots may be pending) and these are complex and would need local people, as well as law enforcement, customs officers and other government officials to turn a blind eye involved in smuggling across multiple borders.

It’s no secret that these crossings likely cost a lot of money, and I think it would be safe to assume that refugees would often be in crippling debt to the OCGs who will put pressure on them to pay it back, by threatening them and their families and I would go as far as to say they could then be coerced in to further committing crimes when granted asylum in order to pay back their debt.

These OCGs are likely involved in other trafficking / crime, not just of asylum seekers but likely drugs, weapons and sex as they have the connections across those borders.

I think it’s very unlikely that an asylum seeker is sitting there looking at all the European government websites and shopping for a country with the best benefits package and approaching a trafficker with a brochure like they’re picking a Jet2 holiday. But this is the narrative that’s often put us and fuelled in the media.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a better system and want to control our borders better on a whole, but this sheer anger and blame placed at the human in front of us seems very misplaced, when they were likely manipulated in to thinking they can have a better life in this particular country and not another, and the problem is way way bigger than an individual.

Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…
Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…
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sunandfizz · 18/09/2025 12:10

The people chanting "Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson" or "Send them back" have low education, low cultural exposure and low social mobility. They just want simple, basic slogans because this is their mentality. They can't really think further than this and these type of people, who feel bottom of the pile as it is, feel slightly better if they have someone to look down on and blame.

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 12:10

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:07

But that’s the definition of a naturalised citizen. They have become a Briton.

No, that’s something quite different.

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 12:09

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 12:04

Can someone just explain what a Briton is, please.

Because the only definition I can find says “citizen or native” of Great Britain.

So if someone has citizenship… they would be a Briton. Including the nice people in the Premier Shop.

When I lived abroad and gained citizenship after six years, I became a citizen. I can’t claim to be just as French/German/Dutch as anyone born there, just by virtue of a passport. It wouldn’t be true, would it?

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:09

MsJinks · 18/09/2025 12:07

Unbelievable- Trump did the deal to let the Taliban out and leave Afghanistan. This was not what was expected by those persuaded to help the armies there- they were promised protection.
Did you see the fall of Kabul.
I’m pretty sure you’re not British yourself - you have no Christian values.

I’m an atheist. I do not hold Christian values. I am most certainly a “Briton”. Please don’t conflate citizenship with religious “values”.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 12:07

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 12:06

It's not worth the effort. You were trying to insinuate the British Isles aren't part of Europe. I don't think you could cope.

In fairness, you were trying to insinuate that the ROI isn’t a different country.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:07

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 12:06

Of course they’re not.

But that’s the definition of a naturalised citizen. They have become a Briton.

MsJinks · 18/09/2025 12:07

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:56

Have to laugh about the Afghans - a sad laugh.

We trained their army, we trained their police, we invested billions in their infrastructure and their education, we tried so much to help them.

.........and they folded to the Taliban in under a week.

Unbelievable- Trump did the deal to let the Taliban out and leave Afghanistan. This was not what was expected by those persuaded to help the armies there- they were promised protection.
Did you see the fall of Kabul.
I’m pretty sure you’re not British yourself - you have no Christian values.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:06

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 12:04

Can someone just explain what a Briton is, please.

Because the only definition I can find says “citizen or native” of Great Britain.

So if someone has citizenship… they would be a Briton. Including the nice people in the Premier Shop.

Quite. I wonder if the nice people at the Premier shop have brown skin and whether that makes all the difference in the minds of some posters?

If that’s the case, I do wish they’d have the courage of their convictions and just say so.

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 12:06

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:05

So - please - explain. If they have become British citizens, they’re “Britons”.

Of course they’re not.

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 12:06

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:05

So - please - explain. If they have become British citizens, they’re “Britons”.

It's not worth the effort. You were trying to insinuate the British Isles aren't part of Europe. I don't think you could cope.

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 12:05

MsJinks · 18/09/2025 12:03

At a cost of 0.3% out of the government budget - please don’t be under the illusion that without asylum seekers we would be in the Brexit Utopia some sought.

I’m not labouring under any such delusion.

Some people don’t care how small you make the expenditure seem - they’d prefer the amount was zero. And the financial burden isn’t even the most significant issue.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:05

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 12:04

I know you don't.

So - please - explain. If they have become British citizens, they’re “Britons”.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 12:04

Can someone just explain what a Briton is, please.

Because the only definition I can find says “citizen or native” of Great Britain.

So if someone has citizenship… they would be a Briton. Including the nice people in the Premier Shop.

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 12:04

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:03

Oh, I am fully European, too. Stupid idea to leave the EU as well.

I still don’t understand why your friends at the Premier shop will never be “Britons, though?

I know you don't.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:04

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 12:01

You’re factually incorrect.

They’re the British Isles. It refers to Great Britain and Ireland and the thousands of other smaller ones. That’s the geographic classification.

Edited

Ok.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:03

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:59

I'll repeat it for you, the British isles are located on the continent of Europe. Therefore I am technically European and there is nothing you can do about it.

Oh, I am fully European, too. Stupid idea to leave the EU as well.

I still don’t understand why your friends at the Premier shop will never be “Britons, though?

MsJinks · 18/09/2025 12:03

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 11:58

For the millionth time - that’s just semantics.

They’re supported by the public purse.

At a cost of 0.3% out of the government budget - please don’t be under the illusion that without asylum seekers we would be in the Brexit Utopia some sought.

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 12:01

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:54

You’re basically telling an Irish person no, you’re not, you’re British?

That’s just factually incorrect correct. Ireland may be on the same landmass as the UK but it’s a separate nation. Much as France and Spain are. Try telling a French person they’re Spanish 🤣

You’re factually incorrect.

They’re the British Isles. It refers to Great Britain and Ireland and the thousands of other smaller ones. That’s the geographic classification.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:01

EasternStandard · 18/09/2025 12:00

Left the EU, or do you mean Europe

Fair point. Lazy of me. I think you know what I mean, though.

MsJinks · 18/09/2025 12:01

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:44

People from the British Isles are all of the same stock, divided only by religion. Call yourself an immigrant if your Irish if you want too, I wouldn't class you as an immigrant.

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What exactly is ‘stock’? We aren’t cattle fgs.
I’m now wondering if I’m a Briton, as whilst I may appear white British and was definitely bred in England by people with generations of British ancestors, though both English and Scottish, (my dad liked genealogy), I’m adopted and can’t trace my birth lineage back so well, gosh who knew how complex it might be! maybe I need an ancestry check.
I can’t believe your average person writes this dehumanising bull.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:00

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:53

Of course they can, that's not the point.

What is, then. Why will they never be “Britons”, if they are citizens?

EasternStandard · 18/09/2025 12:00

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:57

Not according to Reform and the conservatives, you’re not. We “left”. Didn’t get the memo?

Left the EU, or do you mean Europe

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:59

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:57

Not according to Reform and the conservatives, you’re not. We “left”. Didn’t get the memo?

I'll repeat it for you, the British isles are located on the continent of Europe. Therefore I am technically European and there is nothing you can do about it.

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 11:58

LakieLady · 17/09/2025 11:40

For what feels like the millionth time, asylum seekers are not entitled to claim benefits.

For the millionth time - that’s just semantics.

They’re supported by the public purse.

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 11:57

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:52

Geographically I'm a European too. What's your point?

Not according to Reform and the conservatives, you’re not. We “left”. Didn’t get the memo?