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Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…

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AnotherNC12345 · 17/09/2025 10:54

… rather than the smuggling / trafficking gangs that are responsible for the journey?

I think it’s very extreme to put all of the blame and the anger at the individual that arrives, rather than the people responsible for orchestrating the whole process. These individuals are often ‘sold the dream’ and hooked in by organised crime groups who direct them to the UK. I’ve looked at sample routes from different parts of the world (screenshots may be pending) and these are complex and would need local people, as well as law enforcement, customs officers and other government officials to turn a blind eye involved in smuggling across multiple borders.

It’s no secret that these crossings likely cost a lot of money, and I think it would be safe to assume that refugees would often be in crippling debt to the OCGs who will put pressure on them to pay it back, by threatening them and their families and I would go as far as to say they could then be coerced in to further committing crimes when granted asylum in order to pay back their debt.

These OCGs are likely involved in other trafficking / crime, not just of asylum seekers but likely drugs, weapons and sex as they have the connections across those borders.

I think it’s very unlikely that an asylum seeker is sitting there looking at all the European government websites and shopping for a country with the best benefits package and approaching a trafficker with a brochure like they’re picking a Jet2 holiday. But this is the narrative that’s often put us and fuelled in the media.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a better system and want to control our borders better on a whole, but this sheer anger and blame placed at the human in front of us seems very misplaced, when they were likely manipulated in to thinking they can have a better life in this particular country and not another, and the problem is way way bigger than an individual.

Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…
Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…
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LittleBitofBread · 18/09/2025 15:48

PurpleNurple23 · 18/09/2025 15:33

Why would they not feel safe in France? I've been to Paris and I liked it there. Lovely patisseries. If I simply didn't like France as a place to live and work I wouldn't risk potential death at sea.

But I'll read up thread as you suggested.

You're just having a laugh now.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 15:46

BerkoFilter · 18/09/2025 15:40

He hated British people. He’s not British, he didn’t identify as British.

I hate quite a lot of British people, I’m still British.

You can’t identify as British, you either are (legally) or you aren’t. He was born here, he is British.

BerkoFilter · 18/09/2025 15:40

BeHappySloth · 17/09/2025 15:42

Yes, he was British. Are you trying to imply that he wasn't? On what grounds, exactly?

Is it because he isn't white? Because his parents were immigrants? Please explain what exactly you're "not swallowing" any more. Don't be coy, tell us what you actually mean.

He hated British people. He’s not British, he didn’t identify as British.

PurpleNurple23 · 18/09/2025 15:33

OwlBeThere · 18/09/2025 15:12

Already asked and answered multiple
times in the thread.
the vast majority DO stay in countries like Iran and Türkiye. Some want to get further away.
They are risking their lives presumably for a reason. Maybe they don’t feel safe in France. Perhaps if you talk to the odd immigrant and get their side of a story you’ll Learn something.

Why would they not feel safe in France? I've been to Paris and I liked it there. Lovely patisseries. If I simply didn't like France as a place to live and work I wouldn't risk potential death at sea.

But I'll read up thread as you suggested.

OwlBeThere · 18/09/2025 15:12

PurpleNurple23 · 18/09/2025 11:36

Why are they coming here and not staying in the first safe harbour they reach? Why are they not going to countries more culturally compatible with them? Why are they risking their life to flee France?

Already asked and answered multiple
times in the thread.
the vast majority DO stay in countries like Iran and Türkiye. Some want to get further away.
They are risking their lives presumably for a reason. Maybe they don’t feel safe in France. Perhaps if you talk to the odd immigrant and get their side of a story you’ll Learn something.

OwlBeThere · 18/09/2025 15:06

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 10:52

Why not stay with your family and your support network and work to make everyone's lives in your home town or village better?

Because often they will be killed. That’s why they are seeking asylum, they are not safe to remain in their country.

OwlBeThere · 18/09/2025 15:03

NotABiscuitInSight · 18/09/2025 09:05

They would make up a lot more if you were in charge.

Would they? Why?

OwlBeThere · 18/09/2025 15:01

Lemonandorangecheescake · 18/09/2025 07:42

He doesn't have any Welsh ancestry.

He doesn’t need any. He was born here.

BeHappySloth · 18/09/2025 14:05

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 11:06

You can't be "half British"

They will be British when it suits them and not British when it doesn't.

Law is law and someone with a British passport is deemed as British, this is a fact. However, just because you're born in a stable, it doesn't make you a horse.

Edited

I wonder how you would classify my dc.

She was born in Britain to one British parent (mum) and one "foreign" parent (dad). Has lived here all her life, been educated here, only has a British passport etc.

But she maintain's strong links to her father's country of origin. Speaks the language, eats the food, visits every year. Has the right to live and work in that country, though no passport.

She is mixed race. Atheist. Celebrates festivals from both cultures. Both are important parts of her identity

She supports her dad's country in the cricket because her mum couldn't care less.

So is she British enough for you?

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 14:02

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 13:18

Yep, and we are where we are today because voting doesn't and will not work.

Reform are more of the same and I shudder to think what will happen given how angry some people are.

I agree with you, and I’m under no illusions that Reform will be any different. I’m genuinely at the point now where I think no political party is capable of navigating our way out of this situation. I see few signs of anyone in the political sphere even attempting to.

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 13:18

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 13:11

Voting doesn’t work. People have voted for lower immigration for more than twenty years, and no one listened. 72% of the voting public now think immigration is too high, but no meaningful action is taken to assuage people’s concerns. The first one in, one out flight was cancelled after protests. These protesters are really doing Reform’s work for them! People are left with no meaningful democratic way of making their wishes known.

Yep, and we are where we are today because voting doesn't and will not work.

Reform are more of the same and I shudder to think what will happen given how angry some people are.

AnotherNC12345 · 18/09/2025 13:17

JamieCannister · 18/09/2025 13:07

Had it occurred to you that people protesting outside a hotel are using the hotel as the focus for their protest, and are hoping to send a message to government?

They're not protesting and expecting the migrants to say "hang on, I didn't realize that the British don't want mass illegal immigration, I will hop on the next dinghy back to France"

And everyone is within their right to hold such protest. But we can’t pretend that choosing not to stand outside a parliament building, but in front of an immigrant’s place of stay isn’t a bully tactic towards them.

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smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 13:11

JamieCannister · 18/09/2025 13:07

Had it occurred to you that people protesting outside a hotel are using the hotel as the focus for their protest, and are hoping to send a message to government?

They're not protesting and expecting the migrants to say "hang on, I didn't realize that the British don't want mass illegal immigration, I will hop on the next dinghy back to France"

Voting doesn’t work. People have voted for lower immigration for more than twenty years, and no one listened. 72% of the voting public now think immigration is too high, but no meaningful action is taken to assuage people’s concerns. The first one in, one out flight was cancelled after protests. These protesters are really doing Reform’s work for them! People are left with no meaningful democratic way of making their wishes known.

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 13:07

EasternStandard · 18/09/2025 13:06

Do you mean such actions are not here because it’s all left behind?

If it were even remotely true, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 13:07

Papyrophile · 18/09/2025 13:02

No. DH was born there too, and his passport clearly states British Military Hospital, Nicosia (sovereign territory) as his place of birth. It is just possible that the Cypriot authorities would offer him a passport but he's never asked.

He would have needed to have done his two years conscription in the Cypriot Army, so not possible.

JamieCannister · 18/09/2025 13:07

mindutopia · 17/09/2025 11:06

First response nails it.

Because most people are more comfortable blaming the individual rather than the system (that most people also a little bit benefit from). It’s easier to be angry at the brown person taking your jobs and your benefits than to be angry at the society that has stacked the decks against your education and employment opportunities while feeding you stories about how it’s the immigrants holding you down.

Had it occurred to you that people protesting outside a hotel are using the hotel as the focus for their protest, and are hoping to send a message to government?

They're not protesting and expecting the migrants to say "hang on, I didn't realize that the British don't want mass illegal immigration, I will hop on the next dinghy back to France"

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 13:07

@MrsSkylerWhite

Why do you try to shame me for believing that British values are good values, and that they are in many cases superior to those of others, when you actually agree with me?

EasternStandard · 18/09/2025 13:06

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:54

Indeed I do as do many of their countrymen and women, which is precisely why they risk their lives to get away from those oppressive regimes and practices. That they are then met with such hostility and suspicion when they make it is horrible.
To tar everyone from a society with the same brush is foolish. Just look at the different opinions in the UK.

Do you mean such actions are not here because it’s all left behind?

ColdSalads · 18/09/2025 13:03

sunandfizz · 18/09/2025 12:53

I saw these people at the weekend in London. Signs saying "Sadiq Khan is a terrorist," etc.

They have zero evidence that's he's a terrorist ffs and the ONLY reason they are saying this is his ethnicity.

Absolutely vile. How dare they! So no, nobody owes these people any respect whatsoever.

Do you know he used to legally defend Jihadi groups?

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 13:02

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:54

Indeed I do as do many of their countrymen and women, which is precisely why they risk their lives to get away from those oppressive regimes and practices. That they are then met with such hostility and suspicion when they make it is horrible.
To tar everyone from a society with the same brush is foolish. Just look at the different opinions in the UK.

And I’m sure you agree that it’s unfortunate some immigrants have brought these cultural practices with them, rather than leaving them behind?

Papyrophile · 18/09/2025 13:02

Lemonandorangecheescake · 18/09/2025 11:21

My neighbour was born in Cyprus, to a British serviceman and woman, does that make her a Cypriot?

No. DH was born there too, and his passport clearly states British Military Hospital, Nicosia (sovereign territory) as his place of birth. It is just possible that the Cypriot authorities would offer him a passport but he's never asked.

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 13:01

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:54

Indeed I do as do many of their countrymen and women, which is precisely why they risk their lives to get away from those oppressive regimes and practices. That they are then met with such hostility and suspicion when they make it is horrible.
To tar everyone from a society with the same brush is foolish. Just look at the different opinions in the UK.

“So you are stating that you think people in Britain are superior to those of other nations?
Fair enough. At least you’re honest. It’s the dancing about and failing to own opinions by some that is so awful.”

So you agree with me then, and agree that such practices have no place in British society.

SleeplessInWherever · 18/09/2025 12:56

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:50

Oh, apologies, @smallpinecone , that was another poster.

Having watched the series, it’s an insult I’m quite happy to take.

I wasn’t calling you a Neanderthal, to be clear.

I was calling people who can’t decide what a Briton and talk about British purity as Neanderthals. Without the context you provided later about that interpretation of Neanderthals actually being incorrect.

The first part of my comment wasn’t intended as a slight against your genealogy either. It was a sort of tongue in cheek comment that was intended to mean that some people would consider you British because of the link to Scotland, and ignore the African link altogether.

I have just realised that it wasn’t communicated particularly well. But there wasn’t any intention of offending you. It was actually a solidarity post, with what was supposed to be sarcasm/humour!

MrsSkylerWhite · 18/09/2025 12:54

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 12:50

You’re putting words into my mouth there. “So what you’re saying is…” 😄

I do think people who don’t practice FGM are superior to those that do, yes.

I also think them superior to those who stone adulterers, execute homosexuals, practice child marriage, etc.

I’m sure you’d agree?

Indeed I do as do many of their countrymen and women, which is precisely why they risk their lives to get away from those oppressive regimes and practices. That they are then met with such hostility and suspicion when they make it is horrible.
To tar everyone from a society with the same brush is foolish. Just look at the different opinions in the UK.

sunandfizz · 18/09/2025 12:53

smallpinecone · 18/09/2025 12:12

Same old story. Dehumanise them and you won’t have to take the time or trouble to understand them.

I saw these people at the weekend in London. Signs saying "Sadiq Khan is a terrorist," etc.

They have zero evidence that's he's a terrorist ffs and the ONLY reason they are saying this is his ethnicity.

Absolutely vile. How dare they! So no, nobody owes these people any respect whatsoever.

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